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Hello.  Have question.  Need wisdom.

Some languages come in different 'versions', such as Spanish.

How do we deal with these with respect to the online database?

If there're two different Spanish audio tracks do we enter them separately, but call them both Spanish?

If there're two different sets of Spanish subtitles, we enter then as Spanish and Other, or just one as Spanish?

Thanks.
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Catalonian, the second "Spanish" language is available.

If there is really a language, which is not available we have "other"...
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There's a few others that would be nice to distinctly list, which are more commonly found on releases, such as:

French (Canadian)
French (Parisian)

English (British)
English (American)

Chinese (Cantonese)
Chinese (Mandarin)
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French (Parisian)

This should be French (International) instead.

Le français international is the accepted name of the french language without any specific regional accent. Most movies are dubbed in French (International). Among exceptions are some canadian edition of movies, dubbed in French (Canadian) by Quebec artists.
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English (British)
English (American)


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Catalonian, the second "Spanish" language is available.

If there is really a language, which is not available we have "other"...


Hello. The example that prompted my question has Audio Tracks for Spanish (Traditional Sort) 1 and Spanish (Traditional Sort) 2, but as my Spanish speaking ability is worse than my Klingon, I can't tell the difference.  Also, I recently saw a disc that had (I can't remember the exact wording but basically it was) Spanish for Spain and Spanish for South America, so the latter would suggest there're still two versions of Spanish as well as Catalonian. 

Seriously, life would be so much easier if no one working in films/TV was allowed to have the same name as anyone else ever who's also worked in films/TV; and everyone spoke English, (Traditional of course). 
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Catalonian, the second "Spanish" language is available.

If there is really a language, which is not available we have "other"...


Hello. The example that prompted my question has Audio Tracks for Spanish (Traditional Sort) 1 and Spanish (Traditional Sort) 2, but as my Spanish speaking ability is worse than my Klingon, I can't tell the difference.  Also, I recently saw a disc that had (I can't remember the exact wording but basically it was) Spanish for Spain and Spanish for South America, so the latter would suggest there're still two versions of Spanish as well as Catalonian. 

Seriously, life would be so much easier if no one working in films/TV was allowed to have the same name as anyone else ever who's also worked in films/TV; and everyone spoke English, (Traditional of course). 


It seems to me that most disc have "Spanish" and "Castillian" Spanish which if I understand correct, is not the same at Catalonian which is an option.  I think people treat the two as the same sometimes and again if I understand correctly, Castillian and Catalonian are different.  I didn't go beyond high school Spanish though, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Catalonian, the second "Spanish" language is available.

If there is really a language, which is not available we have "other"...


Hello. The example that prompted my question has Audio Tracks for Spanish (Traditional Sort) 1 and Spanish (Traditional Sort) 2, but as my Spanish speaking ability is worse than my Klingon, I can't tell the difference.  Also, I recently saw a disc that had (I can't remember the exact wording but basically it was) Spanish for Spain and Spanish for South America, so the latter would suggest there're still two versions of Spanish as well as Catalonian. 

Seriously, life would be so much easier if no one working in films/TV was allowed to have the same name as anyone else ever who's also worked in films/TV; and everyone spoke English, (Traditional of course). 


It seems to me that most disc have "Spanish" and "Castillian" Spanish which if I understand correct, is not the same at Catalonian which is an option.  I think people treat the two as the same sometimes and again if I understand correctly, Castillian and Catalonian are different.  I didn't go beyond high school Spanish though, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


Castillian is the "standard" spanish, Catalonian is a complitely different language spoked in  autonomous community on the northeastern corner of Spain, designated as a nationality by its Statute of Autonomy. Catalonia consists of four provinces: Barcelona, Girona, Lleida, and Tarragona.

Sometime I've seen Audio Track for castillian (spanish) and  Latin American Spanish, there are some (little) differences in pronunciation and vocabulary.
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It seems to me that most disc have "Spanish" and "Castillian" Spanish which if I understand correct, is not the same at Catalonian which is an option.  I think people treat the two as the same sometimes and again if I understand correctly, Castillian and Catalonian are different.

This is true. "Castillian" should not be entered as "Catalonian". The question that remains is, when faced with both a "Spanish" and "Castillian" audio track, whether you would just call that second audio track "Spanish" again, or whether you'd label that as "Other". From what I've seen, "Castillian" is pretty consistently entered as "Spanish", so that's what I've been doing as well.
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As far as I know, the ISO table 639.2 is used for language identification on a blu ray. Following this table, it is not possible to encode French(Quebec) or Spanish(South American) etc.

https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php

I would use the language which is shown by BD-Info and completely ignoring the local accents and dialects.

It would be nice, it DVDP would allow to add comments to audio tracks and subtitles (who can be heard in the commentary; sometimes we have different dubbing for Germany, Austria and (more often) Switzerland; which languages are intermixed on multilanguage tracks, ...) but I don't see a way to get such nice to have features implemented in the forseeable future... 
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At the moment there is no way to differentiate between local versions of the same language.  Spanish is entered as Spanish, whether it is Castilian or Central/South American Spanish.

I wish we had the options for all the languages on the table AiAustria linked.  I also really wish we had one called "Mixed" for films that have more than one language in the audio.
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It seems to me that most disc have "Spanish" and "Castillian" Spanish which if I understand correct, is not the same at Catalonian which is an option.  I think people treat the two as the same sometimes and again if I understand correctly, Castillian and Catalonian are different.

This is true. "Castillian" should not be entered as "Catalonian". The question that remains is, when faced with both a "Spanish" and "Castillian" audio track, whether you would just call that second audio track "Spanish" again, or whether you'd label that as "Other". From what I've seen, "Castillian" is pretty consistently entered as "Spanish", so that's what I've been doing as well.


That's what I think I've been doing too.  Unfortunately it doesn't work for subtitles, because of how they work in the database.

Lots of interesting things about languages here that I didn't know before, so thanks for taking the time people.
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I wish we had the options for all the languages on the table AiAustria linked.  I also really wish we had one called "Mixed" for films that have more than one language in the audio.


Absolutely. While works of fiction sometimes have this as well, I've run across this more often with certain documentaries where the interviewees speak a range of languages and one doesn't seem to jump out as the main language.
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