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Three Versions of One Film on Separate Discs
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I never know exactly how to handle this.  The new UHD release for Touch of Evil has 3 different versions--Reconstructed, Theatrical, and Preview.  They each have their own disc.  Does this get done as a box set with three child profiles, or one main one (Reconstructed?) and two child profiles for the others?

I lean towards 3 child profiles but wanted to get people's thoughts
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Seems like the same sort of set as Blade Runner: 5 Disc Collector's Edition, which is set up as a box set.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the longest running time cut would be the parent profile and the other would be child profiles?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the longest running time cut would be the parent profile and the other would be child profiles?

Yes, if it's set up as bonus feature films.  If it's set it up as a box set that wouldn't matter.
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Seems like the same sort of set as Blade Runner: 5 Disc Collector's Edition, which is set up as a box set.


Funny that's the exact same one I was thinking of as an example!
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So did I! 
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In my opinion, if the cover just says ”Touch of Evil”, then it's a single parent with bonus child profiles. If the cover names multiple movies, then it's a box set. But that's just my interpretation. So in my opinion the Blade Runner 5 disc should be handled as bonuses. But I yield to the majority - even when the majority is wrong. 
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In my opinion, if the cover just says ”Touch of Evil”, then it's a single parent with bonus child profiles. If the cover names multiple movies, then it's a box set. But that's just my interpretation. So in my opinion the Blade Runner 5 disc should be handled as bonuses. But I yield to the majority - even when the majority is wrong. 


Actually, I think you’re right. The Contribution Rules tell us that the term Box Set refers to releases containing “more than one film”.

IMHO, different cuts of the same film do not qualify as “more than one film”, which would preclude profiling them as a box set.

The Blade Runner set was just the first association I had after reading the OP’s question, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I agree with the way that set has been set up. The question is, however, which of the different cuts you would enter as the parent profile. I can imagine that it would not always be obvious which one to choose for that.
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The question is, however, which of the different cuts you would enter as the parent profile. I can imagine that it would not always be obvious which one to choose for that.


If it's Parent/child/child, it would be as follows: Reconstructed Cut (111 minutes)/Preview Cut (109 minutes)/Theatrical Cut (96 minutes)....correct?
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In my opinion, if the cover just says ”Touch of Evil”, then it's a single parent with bonus child profiles. If the cover names multiple movies, then it's a box set. But that's just my interpretation. So in my opinion the Blade Runner 5 disc should be handled as bonuses. But I yield to the majority - even when the majority is wrong. 


Actually, I think you’re right. The Contribution Rules tell us that the term Box Set refers to releases containing “more than one film”.

IMHO, different cuts of the same film do not qualify as “more than one film”, which would preclude profiling them as a box set.

The Blade Runner set was just the first association I had after reading the OP’s question, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I agree with the way that set has been set up. The question is, however, which of the different cuts you would enter as the parent profile. I can imagine that it would not always be obvious which one to choose for that.

Correct, the first option to treat it as a box set is invalid according to the box set rules, as all three films were derived from the same original camera negative. It is one film, not two or more different films.

Treating the package as a single main feature with bonus feature films (option 2) would be a valid option based on the back cover.

To view the back cover, refer to this 4K review on YouTube and fast forward to 02 min 22 secs and note the last sentence in the overview: "This 3-disc special edition features 4K restorations of all three versions of the film."

The back cover also lists the various versions in the following order:
•  Reconstructed Version
•  Theatrical Version
•  Preview Version

The 4K Disc labels had no disc numbering, whilst the Reconstructed Version disc was secured on its own spindle and the Theatrical Version/Preview version discs were piggy-backed on the second spindle.

Based on the back cover details and physical content, I would treat the Reconstructed Version as the Parent and construct the package as follows (as per Bonus Feature Film (BFF) rules):
•  Add to parent Disc-ID Info section the following DiscIDs/Description:
    Disc1-ID:  Main Feature (Reconstructed Version)
    Disc2-ID:  Bonus Feature Film (Theatrical Version)
    Disc3-ID:  Bonus Feature Film (Preview Version)
•  Add to parent Other Features the BFF titles  "Touch of Evil (Theatrical Version), Touch of Evil (Preview Version)".
•  Add to parent box set contents the two BFF DiscIDs.

Hope that provides some clarity on the topic.
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I can go along with this reading of the rules.  From a certain perspective, even the Blade Runner set still conforms, since it contains a 3+ hour documentary along with the three cuts of the film.  So it technically does contain more than one film, even if the other one is a doc on the film.
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Funny. Early on in this thread the status was, I believe, 8 to 1 for boxset. Now it's 12 to 12. I wonder if the "bonus film" voters were swayed by the arguments in the thread, or if it was just coincidence that they came in late? 
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From a certain perspective, even the Blade Runner set still conforms, since it contains a 3+ hour documentary along with the three cuts of the film.  So it technically does contain more than one film, even if the other one is a doc on the film.

I beg to disagree. The rules say:
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The term "Bonus Feature Film" is used to define any feature film that is included as part of the bonus material for a single release. These are not the same as Double Features or Anthology Collections which are a collection of films grouped together which require the "Box Set" contribution rules.
I assume that the documentary is connected to the title in question, and if so then it clearly is a bonus.
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So should the documentary have it's own child profile, attached to the main feature film?

When does a documentary become a bonus feature film, and not just bonus material?
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When does a documentary become a bonus feature film, and not just bonus material?

If it's a documentary on the actual movie, then the answer is: never. The contribution rules actually unequivocally state that:

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Do not confuse "Bonus Feature Films" with "Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it." Those are Featurettes.
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Funny. Early on in this thread the status was, I believe, 8 to 1 for boxset. Now it's 12 to 12. I wonder if the "bonus film" voters were swayed by the arguments in the thread, or if it was just coincidence that they came in late? 


Probably a little bit of both.
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