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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,198 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Dan W:
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Help me to understand your thinking on this, guys (those who prefer blank on all).
Maybe because not everyone owns mainly region 1 Hollywood DVDs?
Maybe because an empty CoO field is much better than a wrong one? So let me see if I understand what you are saying. We have two choices... Ken's way, we only have to correct some of the profiles. Your way, the 'better' way, we have to correct every single profile. Sorry, but I don't see that as better. Doing less work to get us to the same place is what I call better...then again, my motto has always been 'work smarter, not harder'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would prefer that they were left blank; however, if people want this data auto-filled, I would fill it with the locality, if the locality is a country. I would really prefer that it's left blank though.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,188 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think "The Usual Hypocrites" should be made the default title of all US profiles. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
|  | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
I think "The Usual Hypocrites" should be made the default title of all US profiles. That speaks for itself. | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've just had another thought (and so soon too)...
could you filter based on studios? That way you could filter all the major hollywood studios and give them US - that should cover the bulk of the Hollywood output. Everything else leave blank, or, if you know the base of other companies, then they could be filtered too?
Maybe we could start a list of major companies and their corresponding country? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
So let me see if I understand what you are saying. We have two choices...
Ken's way, we only have to correct some of the profiles.
Your way, the 'better' way, we have to correct every single profile.
Sorry, but I don't see that as better. Doing less work to get us to the same place is what I call better...then again, my motto has always been 'work smarter, not harder'. It would be much better because every profile would be in a correct but incomplete state. Whereas in your way (not Ken's way because he is undecided; otherwise he wouldn't have bothered to ask) a lot of profiles would be simply wrong, while I do admit that also a lot of profiles (probably even more) would be correct. Incomplete is much better than wrong. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Voted for Some Other Cool Third Option Which I Shall List In My Reply
My cool third option:
Region 1 DVD default to USA as the CoO and all other regions have the field left blank. | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I've just had another thought (and so soon too)...
could you filter based on studios? That way you could filter all the major hollywood studios and give them US - that should cover the bulk of the Hollywood output. Everything else leave blank, or, if you know the base of other companies, then they could be filtered too?
Maybe we could start a list of major companies and their corresponding country? That would be the first reasonable default. But remember that the first studio listed is usually the cinema release studio and not the production studio. I'm not sure this is worth the effort. Also remember that a lot of these profiles are in a bad shape anyway, because the good (updated lately) profiles are already manually contributed to this database. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 315 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hmmm.. I'll have to go the traitor way here... I'm an European with a varied taste in movies, and even though, the majority of my films are CoO USA. So, looking at this from the practical point of view, I'll go for default USA. Otherwise the amount of profiles being changed to insert CoO USA will be unbearable (think of poor poor Gerri...). Any major studio produced american film is released just about everywhere, for instance. So multiply the different releases it might have for the number of countries, etc. etc. So, between having to insert all, or correcting a minority, I'll clearly go for the second. Even if we have had so much fun in the first few days with an empty database...  | | | | With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three thousand miles closer to globular cluster M13 in the constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Voted for Some Other Cool Third Option Which I Shall List In My Reply
My cool third option:
Region 1 DVD default to USA as the CoO and all other regions have the field left blank. I could live with that, mainly because I do not own many region 1 DVDs. But it probably would be locality US (and maybe Canada) profiles instead of region 1 profiles, because region 1 is not well defined (combo regions). But actually locality has nothing to do with country of origin. Maybe this proposal would be acceptable for the US centric profiler users: default the field to US if the locality is US and the genre foreign is not set, otherwise leave the field empty. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Voted for Some Other Cool Third Option Which I Shall List In My Reply
My cool third option:
Region 1 DVD default to USA as the CoO and all other regions have the field left blank. Perhaps yes for Region 1 - USA locality only. I still prefer blank and agree with RHo and others that [incomplete] is better than [some accurate and some inaccurate]. With the latter, each profile still has to be evaluated to see if it has an accurate USA COO or whether it's just filler info that has to be replaced. That requires each user to have to perform that step individually rather than sending contributions through the voting process. I know that I learned a lot about COO's when we voted on them and that a lot which I assumed were USA turned out not to be so.  If the field is just plugged with USA, I'll have to research them all myself.  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 315 |
| | Posted: | | | | I may be wrong (it'd be the first time, but... ), but if filtering for region/studios was easy or even doable, perhaps Ken would have made the question in a different fashion. I believe this might be an "all or nothing" situation as it stems from his text. | | | | With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three thousand miles closer to globular cluster M13 in the constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Voted for Some Other Cool Third Option Which I Shall List In My Reply
My cool third option:
Region 1 DVD default to USA as the CoO and all other regions have the field left blank. I thought about that, but what about all the foreign films that have been released in the US? Neither region code nor locality can really be used to guarantee CoO. And if you think about it, a lot of the major studios' releases will already be in the new database, as they will be owned by more people, so a lot of the profiles needing transferring are more likely to be the rarer/less popular titles, which are less likely to follow convention. I say, if we can't find a way to make the selection more reliable, keep it blank. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another thought (I'm on a role here),
how about a submission amnesty for CoOs for a defined period after the merger?
So, say for example, for one month after the merger, any submissions that are CoO only are automatically accepted without voting. If any mistakes get through, we agree to wait until after the month to start submitting amendments.
That would certainly speed up the entry of the bulk of them.
And, if possible, if they could be kept separate from the other profile updates (maybe an extra column with ticks, so you'd have profile | images | Coo) so people can tell which updates need keeping an eye on.
Probably unworkable but I thought I'd suggest it... |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | So... does anyone remember the assignment of a default locality to the 2.x (or was that 1.x) profiles? That was never cleaned up and the 2.x database still contains a vast number of profiles with incorrect localities.
Don't make the same mistake again. Leave the CoO field blank. | | | | Matthias |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Another thought (I'm on a role here),
how about a submission amnesty for CoOs for a defined period after the merger?
So, say for example, for one month after the merger, any submissions that are CoO only are automatically accepted without voting. If any mistakes get through, we agree to wait until after the month to start submitting amendments.
That would certainly speed up the entry of the bulk of them.
And, if possible, if they could be kept separate from the other profile updates (maybe an extra column with ticks, so you'd have profile | images | Coo) so people can tell which updates need keeping an eye on.
Probably unworkable but I thought I'd suggest it... Eek. I like the fact that they currently go through the voting process. This is one field that benefits from more people evaluating it. IMO. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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