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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Separate versions on separate discs
Currently I have one that is profiled as a traditional box set(no info in parent) and another as a modified box set (info in both parent & child).
Separate versions on different sides of the same disc
Note: I'm not talking about widescreen/P&S here. At the moment these seem to be profiled as a normal 2 sided disc. But why should they be treated differently to the ones on separate discs?
Separate versions the same side of the disc
At the moment this type can't be profiled separately, so dividers are used to separate films.
Separate versions available via branching
At the moment this is listed as an "Other Feature" in the profile.
It would be helpful if you had an example for each type. It might be easier to understand that way. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | Continuing with Vanishing Point: R1, 024543110408 It's actually quite interesting because the rear cover (that is, if you can decipher the scanned image.. I have to read the real cover with a magnifying glass  .......no jokes about being as blind as a mole, thank you!  ) Anyway the rear cover references both US & UK versions, even down to giving both run-times (albeit rounded down to 98 & 105, whereas DVD Decrypter shows the RT as 1:38:41 & 1:45:42), and differentiating the audio tracks between US & UK versions. Also the US version has French subtitles. | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by Mole |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then the rear cover is wrong not that unusual mole.
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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
I would vote to change the Brazil box set profile to a Ben-Hur style modified box set profile. IMO the alternate cut is a bonus feature. I disagree. It needs to be left alone. | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agreed it was not packaged as a bonus feature. Quote:
THE ULTIMATE THREE-DISC SPECIAL EDITION BOX SET; $59.95
DISC ONE:
All-new, restored high-definition digital transfer, supervised and approved by director Terry Gilliam, with a remastered Dolby stereo surround soundtrack—NOW IN ANAMORPHIC!!
Audio commentary by Gilliam
Optional English subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing
PLUS: An essay by Jack Mathews
DISC TWO:
A treasure trove of Brazil-iana:
30-minute on-set documentary What Is Brazil?
Criterion's original exposé The Battle of "Brazil": A Video History, which reassembles players in the battle over the film's U.S. release
Hundreds of storyboards, drawings, and publicity and production stills
Rare raw and behind-the-scenes footage
Exclusive video interviews with the production team
Original theatrical trailer
DISC THREE:
The 94-minute "Love Conquers All" version of Brazil, with all the changes Gilliam refused to make
An audio essay by journalist David Morgan | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
It would be helpful if you had an example for each type. It might be easier to understand that way. OK, here you go: Separate versions on separate discsCurrently I have one that is profiled as a traditional box set(no info in parent) and another as a modified box set (info in both parent & child). THE BROOD: US version on Disc 1, UK version on Disc 2. Separate versions on different sides of the same discNote: I'm not talking about widescreen/P&S here. At the moment these seem to be profiled as a normal 2 sided disc. But why should they be treated differently to the ones on separate discs? STRANGERS ON A TRAIN: US version on Side A, UK version on Side B. Separate versions the same side of the discAt the moment this type can't be profiled separately, so dividers are used to separate films. CURSE OF THE DEMON: US and UK versions on the same Disc. Note these two versions even have different names! Separate versions available via branchingAt the moment this is listed as an "Other Feature" in the profile. TERMINATOR 2: Three versions available through a selection menu. Does this help? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mole: Quote:
Vanishing Point: R1, 0 24543 11040 8
UK & US versions on opposite sides of the disc.
US version: 98 minutes, English, French, Spanish audio tracks
UK version: 105 minutes, English audio only, but has the added attraction of an additional scene, with an additional (albeit uncredited) actress....Charlotte Rampling..... It's still the same movie. | | | John
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Separate versions on separate discs
Currently I have one that is profiled as a traditional box set(no info in parent) and another as a modified box set (info in both parent & child).
THE BROOD: US version on Disc 1, UK version on Disc 2. Without knowing what the differences are between the two verisons other than one was for the US and on for the UK. It probably should not be a box set profile. Quote:
Separate versions on different sides of the same disc
Note: I'm not talking about widescreen/P&S here. At the moment these seem to be profiled as a normal 2 sided disc. But why should they be treated differently to the ones on separate discs?
STRANGERS ON A TRAIN: US version on Side A, UK version on Side B. This one sounds like it was profiled correctly. Quote:
Separate versions the same side of the disc
At the moment this type can't be profiled separately, so dividers are used to separate films.
CURSE OF THE DEMON: US and UK versions on the same Disc. Note these two versions even have different names! Sounds like an execlent use of the Dividers, hopefully they profiled the different titles correctly too using the different titles in the dividers. Quote:
Separate versions available via branching
At the moment this is listed as an "Other Feature" in the profile.
TERMINATOR 2: Three versions available through a selection menu. Sounds correct to me. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Tracer: Quote:
THE BROOD: US version on Disc 1, UK version on Disc 2.
Without knowing what the differences are between the two verisons other than one was for the US and on for the UK. It probably should not be a box set profile.
Why would the differences between the films be relevant? Are you saying they should be relevant? The point of this thread is not to find out if certain profiles are correctly or incorrectly profiled, but trying to work out a common ground for dealing with DVDs that contain multiple versions. If you're saying that all the examples are properly profiled, do you then mean that the profiles that treat them as box sets are wrong? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Differences in credits is one example, is why it could be profiled separately. I don't know enough about the two releases to know why they were profiled separately. Like I said "It probably should not be a box set profile." Possibly just an error by the original contributor not being familar with the rules or someone using their personal preference as how they wanted it in the online DB. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | So you're saying that an alternate version should only be given it's own profile if there's enough of a difference in the data stored?
That's an interesting idea - so films where a couple of extra scenes have been added would not be separately profiled, but films where maybe another director has come along and done an extensive re-edit would get a separate profile.
That could work - what does everyone else think? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's not what I'm saying and you realize it, or any reasonable person should. What I said there may have been reason for it to have been profiled separately. Without knowing the exact details of "The Brood" I couldn't tell you why it was contributed as a Box Set. I tried to give you an example of why it might have been but, still don't know why. The only information your providing us with one is a US cut and one is a UK cut. If that is the case then yeah I probably should not be a box set.
But, what I can tell you in the case of Brazil. The reason why the community felt that movie should be set up as a box set is that they are really two entirely different films. You should have noticed that from the voting you got from those who owned this release why they wanted to keep this as a box set.
Just like a said in my opion the latest release of Dune should be setup as a box set. The director had his name taken off the release of the extended cut. I can't remember but, I think Terry Gilliam also requested that his name be removed from the verison the studio created (not sure about this so don't hold me to it). But, that is just my opion and if the community doesn't agree I will side with the community, when it comes to the online DB. How I do my profiles locally is my business. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm sorry - but how many times to I have to say this - this thread is to discuss how to treat alternate versions IN GENERAL!
I don't care about the Brazil profile, and the reason I'm not giving details about the other examples is because I don't want to discuss those individual profiles either.
What I do want to discuss is a way of formalising the way we treat these profiles.
You said that "Differences in credits is one example, is why it could be profiled separately.", but when I ask "So you're saying that an alternate version should only be given it's own profile if there's enough of a difference in the data stored?", you say no!
So what are you saying? What do you think should mark the difference between an alternate cut profiled as an extra, or profiled as a separate film? |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let's not forget that DVD has introduced us to the age where different versions of a film are actually separately released and marketed.
I don't want to begin an endless list trying to mention all of them but a couple of examples are:
Apocalypse Now: Redux
the Star Wars films
The Lord of the Rings films
Highlander
and so on . . . | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK, so let's use Apocalypse Now as an example:
At some point in the future, Apocalypse Now is released with both cuts in the case. At what point do we give it a separate profile, and at what point do we say it's a feature?
2 Discs - a box set? Or a 2 disc profile?
2 sided disc - A box set? Or a 2 sided profile?
1 sided disc, 2 titles - impossible to do as box set, but using dividers or not?
1 sided disc, branching - still use dividers, or a feature?
And of course, there's still the problem of how to decide if the alternate cut is worthy of a profile? Is it because it was released theatrically (so DVD extended versions would not be included) or do we use other criteria? | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Those choices don't cover very much. you have to keep in mind that the regular cuts of several films are over 3 hrs long, each. The extended cuts are even longer. Which means they could be packaged like the Ben-Hur set. Or could be packaged any way the company decides to release them.
This is why I feel that packaging should have nothing to do with it. Your purchase information goes in the main profile. Call it what you like but a film is a film is a film. Hollywood will call it what they like and packaging is a free-for-all take-your-best-guess-at-what-they'll-do-next proposition.
We can't get hung up on the packaging. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
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