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Regions 1,2,3,4,5,6 = Multi or Region 0 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 582 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cyrille,
This is only how the different softwares report it. There is no distinction between region free and all regions. DVD's don't specify regions in which they are allowed, they specify regions in which they're not. Different softwares may report this in different ways but in the DVD itself there is only one way.
Regions are coded in an 8 bit mask in the .IFO file, corresponding to the eight regions from right to left (87654321). If a bit is set to 1, the DVD is not allowed in the corresponding region.
For example, setting the value of this byte to 3 (00000011 in binary) means that the DVD cannot be played in regions 1 and 2. There is only one way of making a DVD play in all regions and that is to specify a value of 0 (Binary: 00000000) which means that no regions are disabled. As you can see, there is no such thing as "Region Free" or "All Regions".
Obviously different studios and distributors may word this in any way they want on their package but the disc itself cannot have the 2 cases that you've described. | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
Quoting snarbo:
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By the same token if 'Fred' submits a profile and leaves the Regions untick to indicate a region free DVD when 'Joe' download's that profile his profile entry will say the the DVD has NO regions assigned to the DVD NOT that it's Region FREE.
It says 0 - No region code (hover above the regions icon) when I view the profiles of such discs in the program. It says Not Region Coded when you preview changes of profiles with the database. It shows up as All Regions on the web when viewing collections. They all mean the same thing though.
If a disc has "No Regions" (0) it can be played in any DVD player worldwide, thus also being "All Regions" ...excepting PAL/NTSC formatted discs which is another matter entirely. How can a description that says 'No Regions' be the same as 'Region Free'. If you edit a brand new profile and choose not to enter a 'Region Code' DVDP stills displays '0' as the Region Coding not that it's Region Free, a simple addtion to the regions list to be chossen when doing a profile would suffice. At the moment when you do a profile you get to choose 1 - USA, Canada 2 - Europe, Japan, S.Africa, Middle East 3 - Eastern Asia 4 - Australia, Mexico, Central America 5 - Former Soviet Union, Africa 6 - China I would suggest we ask Ken either to include 0 - Region Free or A - All Regions by not selecting a region during the initial edit doesn't tell the next person whether the previous editor selected nothing because a DVD is Region Free or whether they had no way of checking the Regions and choose to leave it upto somebody else. Steve |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 582 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
I would suggest we ask Ken either to include
0 - Region Free
or
A - All Regions
by not selecting a region during the initial edit doesn't tell the next person whether the previous editor selected nothing because a DVD is Region Free or whether they had no way of checking the Regions and choose to leave it upto somebody else.
Steve I've said that a few times already for regions and a few other things in DVDP. The absence of a value cannot have a meaning because we don't know if it was voluntary left blank. | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Touti: Quote:
Cyrille,
This is only how the different softwares report it. There is no distinction between region free and all regions. DVD's don't specify regions in which they are allowed, they specify regions in which they're not. Different softwares may report this in different ways but in the DVD itself there is only one way.
Regions are coded in an 8 bit mask in the .IFO file, corresponding to the eight regions from right to left (87654321). If a bit is set to 1, the DVD is not allowed in the corresponding region.
For example, setting the value of this byte to 3 (00000011 in binary) means that the DVD cannot be played in regions 1 and 2. There is only one way of making a DVD play in all regions and that is to specify a value of 0 (Binary: 00000000) which means that no regions are disabled. As you can see, there is no such thing as "Region Free" or "All Regions".
Obviously different studios and distributors may word this in any way they want on their package but the disc itself cannot have the 2 cases that you've described. Thank you Touti for the explainations. | | | Regards
Cyrille |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,263 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
How can a description that says 'No Regions' be the same as 'Region Free'.
Semantics It has no region(s) flags set so is region coding free. This is indicated by a 0 on the DVD sleeve. Quote:
If you edit a brand new profile and choose not to enter a 'Region Code' DVDP stills displays '0' as the Region Coding not that it's Region Free a simple addtion to the regions list to be chossen when doing a profile would suffice.
At the moment when you do a profile you get to choose That's what the notes are for. If you verify the region coding you should state this in the same way as anything else. Just because somebody activley ticks a box doesn't mean that it's correct. Especially as they may be going off the cover info. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 |  Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | AnyDVD reports it accurately. No flags = region free (disc sleeve usually shows "region 0"). Flags for regions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 set, it shows all of those flags.
A disc with no flags should have its profile left as "no region coding" (no regions ticked).
A disc with regions 1-6 specifically set should have its profile set so regions 1-6 are ticked.
DVD Profiler is set up to be able to accurately reflect the contents of this disc, so that's how it should be used. If a disc has regions 1-6 individually set, it would be inaccurate to enter the profile with no regions ticked. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,263 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
DVD Profiler is set up to be able to accurately reflect the contents of this disc, so that's how it should be used. If a disc has regions 1-6 individually set, it would be inaccurate to enter the profile with no regions ticked. Except you ignore the decision of Ken to ignore R 7 & 8 for Profiler purposes. So it is correct for the program we are using to set it as R0. When was the last time you bought an R 7 or 8 disc? | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,216 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
DVD Profiler is set up to be able to accurately reflect the contents of this disc, I'm all for accuracy, but what would we gain from this differentiation? Abso-farking-lutely nuthin'. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
I'm all for accuracy, but what would we gain from this differentiation?
Abso-farking-lutely nuthin'.
cya, Mithi "I'm all for accuracy, but what would we gain from being accurate? Nothing." ???? | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
Quoting Mithi:
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I'm all for accuracy, but what would we gain from this differentiation?
Abso-farking-lutely nuthin'.
cya, Mithi
"I'm all for accuracy, but what would we gain from being accurate? Nothing."
????  Sounds like something Yogi Berra or George W. Bush would say! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,216 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
"I'm all for accuracy, but what would we gain from being accurate? Nothing." That's not what I wrote, so we seem to have a communication problem. So let me break it down for you: What exactly would we gain if we make a difference between R0 and RAll? As no DVD-Player on this planet[1] could care less between the two, noting this difference would be obsessive compulsory behavior. cya, Mithi [1] literally, the ISS is reported to have a Region 8 Player on board. | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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