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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantCool_doodad
Registered: March 13, 2007
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I also think that they should go back to being guidelines. All the rules that are really needed is something like.

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Take as much information from the DVD and front and rear covers as possible when contributing. Document any source/reason for any changes for everything else.

How much simplier can it get.

The other things that Ken already has in place will take care of any radical behaviour with the data.


the problem is when you get almost the same information multiple places - and as soon as that happens everybodies opinion would be different and there would be ping ponging of profiles  as person A thought the title should be this and person B took it from an alternative location and changed it.

Ultimate flexibility would lead to ultimate chaos. And to a database which was constantly changing with the value of the data plunging.


So, to you then, voting, locking and Geri wouldn't do anything to stop that and Ken should just take them away? Did you even read my last statement?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
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Those people who argue that the rules are unnecessary obviously don't remember the "good" old days where profiles changed every couple of weeks because people interpreted data elements differently.  ...


At that time, votes on contribution did not exist.
I also already proposed a system that would avoid pingpong contributions:

One rule : no third party data.
Present rules become guides.

Anonymous contribution
Anonymous votes : Yes, the contribution is worth being put in the database  No, it is not.

The majority and screeners decide.

Then:
+1 point per accepted contribution
-1 point per refused contribution

Ken gives the list of best contributors.

People who make interesting work for the database will be top of the list. Pingpongers will be bottom of the list...
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No to: Anonymous contribution (why should you hide, trying to slip things in perhaps?)
No to: The majority and screeners decide. (Majority's change freqwently as would your data)
No to: +point system, (You can already reward contribution with the reputation system)



You can already see who's appreciated. (in the forums and by contribution)

Your proposal is flawed. lucky I don't give
today
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantsmeehrrr
Registered: March 26, 2007
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the problem is when you get almost the same information multiple places - and as soon as that happens everybodies opinion would be different and there would be ping ponging of profiles  as person A thought the title should be this and person B took it from an alternative location and changed it.

Ultimate flexibility would lead to ultimate chaos. And to a database which was constantly changing with the value of the data plunging.

It's up to the screeners to prevent ping-ponging, even today.  There's nothing to stop me from submitting a contribution that totally violates the existing rules.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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lucky I don't give


I really don't care. If it can be good for you, do not resist. I got so much that one more or not...

I'm not at all paranoid about those little arrows... 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantsmeehrrr
Registered: March 26, 2007
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No to: Anonymous contribution (why should you hide, trying to slip things in perhaps?)
No to: The majority and screeners decide. (Majority's change freqwently as would your data)
No to: +point system, (You can already reward contribution with the reputation system)

Agreed that anonymous contributions would be a bad idea.  The greater the transparency, the greater the incentive towards good behavior.  (This is also the reason I think the current anonymous reputation system is flawed).

Agreed that the majority should not decide.  The screeners should decide, exactly as they do today.

The point system might be an interesting but more or less meaningless statistic.  I think voters already know who the good contributors are.  I know when I look at the contributions for voting I tend to go to the unrecognized names first, and give them more scrutiny.
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantsmeehrrr
Registered: March 26, 2007
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Your proposal is flawed. lucky I don't give
today

By the way, I think giving negative feedback on a post simply because you don't agree with it violates the spirit of the system.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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Agreed that anonymous contributions would be a bad idea.


I think that anonymous contributions would avoid some considerations of voters for or against the contributor (revenge??? ).

To say if the contribution is interesting, no need to know who contributed. And good contributors would be rewarded by being in the top list.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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[b]No to: Anonymous contribution (why should you hide, trying to slip things in perhaps?)
No to: The majority and screeners decide. (Majority's change freqwently as would your data)
No to: +point system, (You can already reward contribution with the reputation system)[/b]


You can already see who's appreciated. (in the forums and by contribution)

Your proposal is flawed. lucky I don't give
today


Absolute agreement.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

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By the way, I think giving negative feedback on a post simply because you don't agree with it violates the spirit of the system.

The Reputation system tracks feedback from fellow users on posts you've made, including forum posts and commented contribution votes. Additionally, forum rule violations can affect the reputation score.

@surfeur51:
you are still obliged to comment your no vote, if it is not valid the consequences are there.
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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...  I know when I look at the contributions for voting I tend to go to the unrecognized names first, and give them more scrutiny.

You should use the same scrutiny for any user, mistakes do happen. If you don't agree with contributor, PM him what the problem is, no reply: no vote explaining screener what problem is. Several contributions from same contributor who does not follows the rules: no vote and explaining screener what problem is and aditional a
if received enough it will stop her / him and certainly notify Ken / Gerri that there is a problem with this contributor.
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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The point system might be an interesting but more or less meaningless statistic.  I think voters already know who the good contributors are.

Yes, but that's not the point. By evaluating a contribution the most important thing is not to know how good the contributor is, but how good his/her contribution is. And while the screeners may have all of our statistics to look at, the voters are touching in the dark and can only decide by experience and negative feedbacks. By knowing how much a voter appreciates or not appreciates a contribution I think it's much easier for others to weigh their descissions.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantsmeehrrr
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The Reputation system tracks feedback from fellow users on posts you've made, including forum posts and commented contribution votes. Additionally, forum rule violations can affect the reputation score.

Yes, I know what the reputation system is and what it's for.  I don't believe it should be anonymous.
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I don't believe it should be anonymous.

I agree with you. Still Ken and Gerri will know.
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantpauls42
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I also think that they should go back to being guidelines. All the rules that are really needed is something like.

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Take as much information from the DVD and front and rear covers as possible when contributing. Document any source/reason for any changes for everything else.

How much simplier can it get.

The other things that Ken already has in place will take care of any radical behaviour with the data.


the problem is when you get almost the same information multiple places - and as soon as that happens everybodies opinion would be different and there would be ping ponging of profiles  as person A thought the title should be this and person B took it from an alternative location and changed it.

Ultimate flexibility would lead to ultimate chaos. And to a database which was constantly changing with the value of the data plunging.


So, to you then, voting, locking and Geri wouldn't do anything to stop that and Ken should just take them away? Did you even read my last statement?


I read everything you said. But I rejected it.

1) There are still entries which arrive which I have never seen to vote on. And I look every day.
2) Locking - there are problems with this - how can you ever be sure that the dvd profile is complete and can be locked?
3) Geri doesn't check every profile submission herself. But I'm sure she is pleased to be thought of as being super human and able to do this. (The reality is that there is a team of screener s).

And your last sentence implied that you believe that rating a submission with a up or down arrow was a valid way of voting on a submission. It isn't. I suggest you re-read the guidelines that Ken gave about the valid use of these arrows.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantpauls42
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the problem is when you get almost the same information multiple places - and as soon as that happens everybodies opinion would be different and there would be ping ponging of profiles  as person A thought the title should be this and person B took it from an alternative location and changed it.

Ultimate flexibility would lead to ultimate chaos. And to a database which was constantly changing with the value of the data plunging.

It's up to the screeners to prevent ping-ponging, even today.  There's nothing to stop me from submitting a contribution that totally violates the existing rules.


I agree. But why encourage it? And at least if they are given the name of 'rules' then these can be given as a reason for rejecting a submission. If you leave them as guidelines then you could end up with finger pointing from both sides with neither accepting the 'opinion' of the other.
Paul
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