I believe Widescreen (Which is also off the list) and Full Framed should stay... Since these are terms I see on most all of my DVD releases. It is what most all consumers are used to and just taking them out of the program is confusing at best.

Quoting Blair:

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Now that I think about it, the current setup does have a specific purpose that the new format would not: it allows the display of both Full Screen and Widescreen graphics simultaneously (likely for dual-sided discs that have one ratio on each side)



This would also explain why 1.33:1 is assumed rather than required in the Aspect Ratio box: the system doesn't pay any attention to this box unless the Widescreen checkbox is selected.

In his idea there are two aspect ratio boxes which does the same thing.

And what about when no aspect ratio is in the profile? I see this a lot... A lot of people... myself included don't know how to figure out the aspect ratio. And there is a LOT of times it just isn't on the case. I have a TON of profiles in my collection that just says widescreen with no aspect ratio what so ever.

For those that widescreen check box is telling me a lot.

Well... if this is all do to a Blu-ray thing... we do still need to consider the DVDs out there and that are yet to come.

What I need to know is with the proposed change... what will show if the aspect ratio is not in the profile? As it is now the profile will still show if it is widescreen of full framed or pan and scan. Will the proposed show all these possibilities if the aspect ratio is not in the profile?

If there is something that needs to be fixed it should be... but at the same time it shouldn't take away anything that it does now.

Which is why I wanted to know....

With this suggested change, what will show if the aspect ratio is not in the profile?

As it is now the profile will still show if it is widescreen or full framed or pan and scan. Will the proposed show all these possibilities if the aspect ratio is not in the profile?

I have quite a few silent films on DVD and some on Blu-ray.

The program needs Tinted/Toned and Sepia-toned options to accommodate silent films. Selecting "Color" for these films doesn't quite cut it.

Anyone else concur?

I'll try to cover as much as possible what was my idea for these changes.
Long text, sorry for typos.

Removal FULL FRAME checkbox.
1) Currently this refers only to 1.33:1 aspect ratio. Which makes it useless because 1.33:1 AR by its own shows the same info.
2) In technical terms it refers to Academy ratio (1.375:1) which is an aspect ratio of a frame of 35mm film standardized by the AMPAS as standard film aspect ratio in 1932. We are listing only specifications from home video releases. There is no need to list specifications from old cinematography technologies.

Removal WIDESCREEN checkbox.
1) Currently this refers only to aspect ratios wider than 1.33:1. Which makes it useless because correct AR by its own shows the same info. If there is need to show Widescreen text along with aspect ratios 1.66:1 and wider, this should be quite simple and short line of code in program.
2) This might be an issue if AR is not set. But my question is => why in the world haven't you edited your profiles with AR info??? If you don't know what is film's aspect ratio what you are watching, on 16:9 screen if video fills whole screen area it is most likelly 1.78:1. You can edit this to your profiles by copy/paste flagged function in very easy way. Just don't contribute those if you aren't sure if they aren't correct. Wikipedia tells more about aspect ratio.

Adding Windowboxed checkbox.
1) As already pointed in discussion there is number of releases where is black bars in every side of picture.
2) This needs good rule when to use is because there is lots of release in "grey area" if this can be used or not. Example black side bars caused by poor mastering. I think that if there is only few pixels of black in the sides, this doesn't count as windowboxed. But if there is same amount of black in the sides as in top/bottom, this should be counted as windowboxed.

Remain PAN & SCAN checkbox.
1) This is method when widescreen aspect ratio is cropped to fill 4:3 or 16:9 screen with video with out any black bars.
2) Even in HD era, unfortunately, some distributors are releasing 2.40:1 films cropped to 1.78:1 ratio.
3) One option is to rename this to "Cropped" but I think that "Pan & Scan" good enough and we all know what it is.

Changing 16:9 Enhanced to ANAMORPHIC checkbox.
1) Anamorphic is more technical and official term to tell what is happening. 16:9 Enhanced and similar are more like marketing things to tell if video is anamorphic.
2) This must be selectable as its own.
3) Not sure if this should be greyed out on Blu-ray/HD-DVD or not.

Changing DIMENSIONS under Video Format.
1) Logical place to 3D and 2D settings are in video formats.
2) Even title is removed from Formats, maybe this should still remain in copy/paste as its own. Maybe rename to "3D/2D setting" or something.

Checkbox 2D available only if 3D is set.
1) Adding 2D checkbox to every single release is totally useless information.
2) It makes much more sense to it if it is available only if 3D checkbox is first set. Now it shows if same release includes also 2D version or is it 3D only release.

Changing COLOR to checkboxes.
1) Already pointed in discussion that there are releases which needs more than one option.

Adding another ASPECT RATIO field.
1) Idea behind this was relases which have multiple aspect ratios. Like Dark Night where most of the film is 2.35:1 (or was it 2.40:1) but there are also some sequences shown in 1.78:1 AR.
2) Maybe this can be used also to those really old two sided DVD where in other side of disc has different AR version of the film. IMO, this shouldn't be used like that => side A has the version to be used. Side B is either "only" an bonus feature or maybe it should be added as child profile.

Not familiar with filters but an example, 1.78:1 AR is slightly different in DVD and Blu-ray/HD-DVD. I think that you can quite easilly make different filters for all media types it that is an issue. I can't see this as an issue at all. If visible video AR is 1.78:1, it is still the same no matter if video is HD material on Blu-ray or on DVD (anamorphic or not).


Finally, if we have Pan & Scan, Windowboxed, Anamophic and Aspect Ratio (maybe twice) fields. There isn't any situations what can't be covered with those. With these it can be determined also which screen-icon to be used.

I am sorry... but I am Completely against any change that takes away info that is already in the profile. And as long as it still don't tell me if it is full screen, Widescreen and/or Pan & Scan without the aspect ratio filled in... it is taking away good information.


Not everyone is comfortable dealing with aspect ratio... and I am far from the only one considering the TON of profiles I have without aspect ratios in my collection.

So this proposal has to get a big NO vote from me.