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TV Series contributions - a definitive answer required
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRifter
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Just another thought here.

Let's approach this from another angle that nobody has really mentioned.

Let's say for sake of argument that all these are done as one profile with the whole schmeer.  What happens when you're in the middle of an update, three seasons deep in the cast or crew divider list, and some glitch locks up your computer, or throws you out of the program, and that record is hosed beyond hope. No problem you say, just update it from the online. Well, suppose this glitch happens when someone is updating the online with a profile change.  Then your online record is trash.

It is simply more efficient and much safer if you are working with a small record, say of just one disc's worth of data.

Anyone who says that will never happen has not been around computers or databases very long.  I've been sitting at the keyboard when an entire business database went up in smoke that way in a matter of seconds.  While we had the last backup to restore from, it was still three days before we were back up and not a little overtime to get caught up.
John

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Everybody seems to think having everything in one profile is so nifty keen, but it isn't.  Try doing a lockup of a particular episode is a megaset of say, Buffy.  You can find something a big pile of data much faster by looking at smaller chunks of it than you can having to go through the entire pile at once.  Its much easier to scan episode data from 4 or 5 episodes on one disc than having to scroll through 30 odd discs worth of dividers in one profile.


Which wouldn't happen, because such a set would be a box parent to the individual seasons even under currently published rules.

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Then there is the issue of corrupted records.  I don't know how many of you have database experience, but I learned a long time ago not to put all my eggs in one basket, because when the basket gets dropped, you lose all your eggs.  Data should be segregated into smaller subsets that get accessed only when needed.  It not only ensures data is less susceptible to damage, but is a hell of a lot faster to access that huge massive records with everything in one.

In any case, this is a presentation issue.  It doesn't matter a damn bit HOW the data is stored, what is important is it is DISPLAYED.  If you want ALL the information to be in one profile on screen, the program can pull it all in from several small database subsets.  It will LOOK LIKE its all in one record, but would stored in separate profiles as needed.

Maybe that's too technical for some of you.


Quite being condescending. The one who acts like he knows every damned thing is rarely the one people pay attention to.



I wasn't being condescending.  It's apparent you don't understand all of it.  If you do a megaset like you describe above, you'll have a master and then a child for each season.  You'll still have about 20 episodes in dividers in one profile.  You still have to wade through that whole long list.  If I want to see the data on an episode in the last quarter of the season, I jump directly to the disc with the last 4 or 5 episodes on it, and have only 4 or 5 eps. worth of data to sift through.

But your whole premise falls apart at another level.  Most of the megasets don't have UPCs on the individual season boxes anymore, so your stuck with profiling all 30-40 discs in the set in either one big monstrous profile, or breaking it down into easily managed chunks disc by disc.  Much faster to do my way.



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Everybody seems to think having everything in one profile is so nifty keen, but it isn't.  Try doing a lockup of a particular episode is a megaset of say, Buffy.  You can find something a big pile of data much faster by looking at smaller chunks of it than you can having to go through the entire pile at once.  Its much easier to scan episode data from 4 or 5 episodes on one disc than having to scroll through 30 odd discs worth of dividers in one profile.


Which wouldn't happen, because such a set would be a box parent to the individual seasons even under currently published rules.

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Then there is the issue of corrupted records.  I don't know how many of you have database experience, but I learned a long time ago not to put all my eggs in one basket, because when the basket gets dropped, you lose all your eggs.  Data should be segregated into smaller subsets that get accessed only when needed.  It not only ensures data is less susceptible to damage, but is a hell of a lot faster to access that huge massive records with everything in one.

In any case, this is a presentation issue.  It doesn't matter a damn bit HOW the data is stored, what is important is it is DISPLAYED.  If you want ALL the information to be in one profile on screen, the program can pull it all in from several small database subsets.  It will LOOK LIKE its all in one record, but would stored in separate profiles as needed.

Maybe that's too technical for some of you.


Quite being condescending. The one who acts like he knows every damned thing is rarely the one people pay attention to.



I wasn't being condescending.  It's apparent you don't understand all of it.  If you do a megaset like you describe above, you'll have a master and then a child for each season.  You'll still have about 20 episodes in dividers in one profile.  You still have to wade through that whole long list.  If I want to see the data on an episode in the last quarter of the season, I jump directly to the disc with the last 4 or 5 episodes on it, and have only 4 or 5 eps. worth of data to sift through.

But your whole premise falls apart at another level.  Most of the megasets don't have UPCs on the individual season boxes anymore, so your stuck with profiling all 30-40 discs in the set in either one big monstrous profile, or breaking it down into easily managed chunks disc by disc.  Much faster to do my way.



Some people are only trying to follow the rules.


That's like saying "I was just following orders."  You know where that has gotten people in the past.

Rules are fine.  I approve of rules.  I LIKE rules.  But sometimes, rules are too rigid.  They don't allow for any flexibility when new situations come up that require doing things differently to maintain efficiency.  In the military, somebody who follows the rules too closely is called a martinet, and creates dissension and morale problems, and in extreme cases gets people killed.  While I'm sure nobody will get killed over any of this, we sure as hell could do with some flexibility, and a bit less of the "follow the rules at all cost" attitude.
John

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That's like saying "I was just following orders."  You know where that has gotten people in the past.

Rules are fine.  I approve of rules.  I LIKE rules.  But sometimes, rules are too rigid.  They don't allow for any flexibility when new situations come up that require doing things differently to maintain efficiency.  In the military, somebody who follows the rules too closely is called a martinet, and creates dissension and morale problems, and in extreme cases gets people killed.  While I'm sure nobody will get killed over any of this, we sure as hell could do with some flexibility, and a bit less of the "follow the rules at all cost" attitude.


So you're now comparing following contribution rules for DVD Profiler to the Holocaust?

The rules for contribution are either there for everyone to follow or they aren't.

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how about a profiler per artwork set.

Meaning: a digipack with several disc of the complete season still gets one profile because only one set of artwork.

If the season is split up on to desk in separate cases with different artwork then the "master" box, then each of these gets a child profile.

That is how I am trying to do mine right now......
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That's like saying "I was just following orders."  You know where that has gotten people in the past.

Rules are fine.  I approve of rules.  I LIKE rules.  But sometimes, rules are too rigid.  They don't allow for any flexibility when new situations come up that require doing things differently to maintain efficiency.  In the military, somebody who follows the rules too closely is called a martinet, and creates dissension and morale problems, and in extreme cases gets people killed.  While I'm sure nobody will get killed over any of this, we sure as hell could do with some flexibility, and a bit less of the "follow the rules at all cost" attitude.


So you're now comparing following contribution rules for DVD Profiler to the Holocaust?

The rules for contribution are either there for everyone to follow or they aren't.

End of.



Obviously you missed the point.  [For those who still don't get it:  Flexibility within the context of the rules is more important than following the strict letter of the rules.  Flexibility will allow for a better, more efficient end product without adversely affecting the product.]
John

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how about a profiler per artwork set.

Meaning: a digipack with several disc of the complete season still gets one profile because only one set of artwork.

If the season is split up on to desk in separate cases with different artwork then the "master" box, then each of these gets a child profile.

That is how I am trying to do mine right now......



Not sure what you mean here.  Currently, if discs from a digipack have no cover art of their own, we are supposed to use the art from the box itself.  Thus, all the child profiles will have the same covers as the box set cover itself.
John

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In a nutshell, as long as no one removes the data from the parent profile everyone should be allowed to have child profiles if they want them.


Been my point all along
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Agreed!
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In a nutshell, as long as no one removes the data from the parent profile everyone should be allowed to have child profiles if they want them.


Been my point all along


You know that this goes only for LOCAL use, otherwise it's against the rules.
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Let's say for sake of argument that all these are done as one profile with the whole schmeer.  What happens when you're in the middle of an update, three seasons deep in the cast or crew divider list, and some glitch locks up your computer, or throws you out of the program, and that record is hosed beyond hope. No problem you say, just update it from the online. Well, suppose this glitch happens when someone is updating the online with a profile change.  Then your online record is trash.


That's not a problem anymore as you can download the profile from your online collection. Ken has already said that the only thing that is shared between the different collections are the images. The data is exactly what the user uploaded when he last uploaded to the online collection. There's no link between the online database and the online collection any longer

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That's not a problem anymore as you can download the profile from your online collection. Ken has already said that the only thing that is shared between the different collections are the images. The data is exactly what the user uploaded when he last uploaded to the online collection. There's no link between the online database and the online collection any longer

I didn't know that. Now THAT is smart. 
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That's what I thought. So why have child profiles for each disc of Alias seasons 4 & 5 (R1) been submitted and accepted?



Because despite what the rules say, that's the way most people want those sets done.  There was a tacit agreement to do them that way some time ago, although some people will tell you I'm lying on that.

Believe the evidence you see in the database (the profiles that exist there).


So anything that's in the database is OK.  I love that argument!

We should apply that to the law as well.  Just look around.  People are doing dope and prostitution and murder and all sorts of things.  Since they exist in our society, we should just accept them as the norm and not try to enforce the law!

I especually like this part John: "Because despite what the rules say...."

In other words, we'll just do what we damm well please.
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That's what I thought. So why have child profiles for each disc of Alias seasons 4 & 5 (R1) been submitted and accepted?



Because despite what the rules say, that's the way most people want those sets done.  There was a tacit agreement to do them that way some time ago, although some people will tell you I'm lying on that.

Believe the evidence you see in the database (the profiles that exist there).


So anything that's in the database is OK.  I love that argument!




Unless it's uncredited cast members... 
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Obviously you missed the point.  [For those who still don't get it:  Flexibility within the context of the rules is more important than following the strict letter of the rules.  Flexibility will allow for a better, more efficient end product without adversely affecting the product.]


Translation = if I don't like the Rule or it doesn't suit my pruposes, I can do what I want!
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I wasn't being condescending.  It's apparent you don't understand all of it.


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If you do a megaset like you describe above, you'll have a master and then a child for each season.  You'll still have about 20 episodes in dividers in one profile.


Well that's a very different story from "30 discs' worth in one profile." Which is it?

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But your whole premise falls apart at another level.  Most of the megasets don't have UPCs on the individual season boxes anymore, so your stuck with profiling all 30-40 discs in the set in either one big monstrous profile, or breaking it down into easily managed chunks disc by disc.  Much faster to do my way.


Well now it seems YOU'RE being myopic, to put it lightly. Under the current rules this would require for each season to have a separate profile, presumably under the disc ID of the first disc of each season. Don't get me wrong, I don't like that, I'm for separate child profiles all the way, but don't make arguments in the context of having rules that aren't yet in place, when they contradict clearly those that are, in an effort to hyperbolise and make your point seem more important.
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