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A rant about SRPs
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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- One coffee, no milk, please!
- I'm sorry, we're all out of milk. Would you settle for a coffee, no cream?

So what does this old joke have to do with DVD Profiler? Well, to me it's about the same as this:
- What's the SRP for that DVD?
- I don't know!
- Well, is that $ I-don't-know or is it £ I-don't know?

That's just as much nonsense as the coffee joke, in my opinion. And yet I see contributions that just change $ 0.00 to £ 0.00 (or any other currencies). In my opinion (!) that should fall under the "unnecessary changes" rule (don't change unless in a wider contribution). We already have a rule not to change just a few cents or pence. This is just as useless, in my opinion.

You don't have to tell me that there is nothing in the rules against such changes. I'm just saying that I think there should be. And I'm not voting No to these changes. I'm voting Neutral.

Just curious if anyone else feels like I do about this.
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If the contribution is just correcting $ 0.00 to £ 0.00, I think that's a valid correction since it's an incorrect denomination entered for the locality of a profile.

The rules do state "the currency type matching the locality" and "Ensure the currency type matches the locality" so I don't see how it's useless or an unnecessary change, even if it is at 0.00. It's not changing it by a few cents or pence (which is listed last in the rule) – it's correcting an incorrect denomination.

$ would be for US profiles.
£ would be for various European profiles.

Does it add significant value to the database alone? That's up for debate, but I would want the SRP denomination accurate if I added it into my collection.
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I'd say, it is completely useless, since the one adding a price some time in the future will correct the currency either.
Without a price the inoformation which currence matches the locality is rather useless.
One step further: The currency is useless at all, if it has to match the locality.

But I vote neutral either, as for all updates, I'm not interested in.
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Quoting Katatonia:
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The rules do state "the currency type matching the locality"

Yes, that's because it is important when there is actually a price entered. Without a price the information is pretty much as meaningless as "coffe. no cream".

A well design database shouldn't even allow a currency to be entered against an unentered value. And furthermore a well designed database shouldn't use 0 to reflect an unentered value. But that's a bit beside the point here.
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£ would be for various European profiles.

Ah, no, for the UK only, actually. You're thinking of € (Euro).
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£ would be for various European profiles.

Ah, no, for the UK only, actually. You're thinking of € (Euro).

... still there is a N:1 correlation which allows only one currency per location. Which makes it useless, since it could be provided by the programm with a simple table: location -> currency
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Agreed.
What the program should do is display the correct currency for each locality and no value displayed if one > 0 isn't entered.
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We already have a rule not to change just a few cents or pence.


I didn't even remember that this was a rule.  But, this rule seems to invoke the "good enough" view rather than trying to be accurate.  But the same could be said about updates which are simply changing two spaces to one space between sentences in the overview.
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But the same could be said about updates which are simply changing two spaces to one space between sentences in the overview.

Not only could it be said, it should be said.  It, in my opinion, is a contribution that serves no real purpose.
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If the contribution is just correcting $ 0.00 to £ 0.00, I think that's a valid correction since it's an incorrect denomination entered for the locality of a profile.

Except they aren't correcting anything.  Unless the actual SRP is £ 0.00, all they are doing is changing an incorrect $ 0.00 to an incorrect £ 0.00.
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Isn't there was a filter in place that, in order to contribute, the SRP has to match the locality? Or is that only with a new contribution?
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Quoting GSyren:
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Ah, no, for the UK only, actually. You're thinking of € (Euro).


You're right, they look very similar. But the program itself will display Great Britain (Pound) or Europe (Euro) also to tell them apart.

Quoting dee1959jay:
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Agreed.
What the program should do is display the correct currency for each locality and no value displayed if one > 0 isn't entered.


I completely agree. It should do exactly that, but it does not.

Quoting Kathy:
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Isn't there was a filter in place that, in order to contribute, the SRP has to match the locality? Or is that only with a new contribution?


No, there is no filter. I've seen many foreign profiles entered with US $ as the SRP, which is obviously incorrect.

You can only change the currency in Options, but it will only change it to something else like € Europe (Euro), so that will be the default to enter into any new profiles.

Try entering a new entry for a German profile, or anywhere else, and it will default to $ United States (Dollar) for you or me...unless the contributor edits that. If the SRP is unknown and no change is made, that German profile will be entered in the database with $ United States (Dollar) as the currency denomination. That default would obviously then be different only if you change the Currency in Options to something other than United States (Dollar)

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If the contribution is just correcting $ 0.00 to £ 0.00, I think that's a valid correction since it's an incorrect denomination entered for the locality of a profile.

Except they aren't correcting anything.  Unless the actual SRP is £ 0.00, all they are doing is changing an incorrect $ 0.00 to an incorrect £ 0.00.


My point was IF the SRP is £ 0.00 in something other than a UK profile, it would obviously be the incorrect denomination for that locality, whether it's £ 0.00 or anything else.

Just as a US profile with £ 0.00 entered as the SRP would obviously be an incorrect denomination for that locality, etc.

You're saying that $ United States (Dollar) entered as the SRP denomination in a UK profile would be correct then, and should just be left as is? Why would that not need to be corrected?
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You're saying that $ United States (Dollar) entered as the SRP denomination in a UK profile would be correct then, and should just be left as is? Why would that not need to be corrected?

In my opinion, I would say that for an unknown SRP the currency is meaningless, and changing it without supplying the actual price does not add any useable information, and as such does not warrant a separate contribution.
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You're saying that $ United States (Dollar) entered as the SRP denomination in a UK profile would be correct then, and should just be left as is? Why would that not need to be corrected?

In my opinion, I would say that for an unknown SRP the currency is meaningless, and changing it without supplying the actual price does not add any useable information, and as such does not warrant a separate contribution.


I get the reasoning behind that, and yeah it probably doesn't warrant a separate contribution just for that alone any more than a correction of "spaces" in an Overview. But I still view it as incorrect data if it's entered as such within the database, and certainly something that needs to be corrected in a fuller contribution.
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You're saying that $ United States (Dollar) entered as the SRP denomination in a UK profile would be correct then, and should just be left as is? Why would that not need to be corrected?

No, I very clearly said that they were "changing an incorrect $ 0.00 to an incorrect £ 0.00."  To me, if that is the only thing they are changing, it serves no real purpose.
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Isn't there was a filter in place that, in order to contribute, the SRP has to match the locality? Or is that only with a new contribution?

Yes, you can't submit a US locality profile with an SRP in anything else than dollars. If you try that, you get an "This profile cannot be contributed due to the following errors:  The SRP denomination type is incorrect" message.

Other localities don't have a similar restriction.
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Isn't there was a filter in place that, in order to contribute, the SRP has to match the locality? Or is that only with a new contribution?

Yes, you can't submit a US locality profile with an SRP in anything else than dollars. If you try that, you get an "This profile cannot be contributed due to the following errors:  The SRP denomination type is incorrect" message.

Other localities don't have a similar restriction.


That's interesting, I had no idea there was only a restriction for US locality profiles. But then again my default currency has always been set to USD, so I wouldn't have noticed. Ken really should set up restrictions in other localities where the currency denomination is known and verified.
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