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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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I have seen it, and I maintain that it's wrong.
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I have thousands and thousands of profiles that have been entered this way

I have a feeling that you're exaggerating, but if not then you have thousands and thousands of incorrectly entered profiles. In my opinion.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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GSyren - did you download the movie to see what I was talking about?

This film has 3 DVDs, each in their own individual cover. Are you telling me that we do not enter these?

I went through the rules twice and don't see any that supports your view. Please show me the rules that supports your viewpoint.
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The packaging and number of DVDs are irrelevant. The definition of a box set is that it contains more than one film. If it doesn't it can never be a box set.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Please show me the rules that supports your viewpoint.

Like I said, it's not specifically mentioned in the rules, but I think it's obvious if you read between the lines.

If it's not allowed to create a child for bonus materials for a single film in a boxset, why should it be allowed to do so for a non-boxset? And - if you do create children, then you are in effect creating a box set.
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The packaging and number of DVDs are irrelevant. The definition of a box set is that it contains more than one film. If it doesn't it can never be a box set.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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I'm not sure how this thread turned to Box Set rules. That is totally off topic. My question only dealt with Original Title data.

Please start another thread for any other issues because it gets confusing when we start discussing other data and rules that cover that off topic data. Thank you.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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If you add children to a profile, you are in effect creating a box set. That is why this thread turns into a discussion about box set rules.

You are asking how to enter data into a profile that should not exist. There can be no answer to that.
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Quoting GSyren:
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If you add children to a profile, you are in effect creating a box set. That is why this thread turns into a discussion about box set rules.

You are asking how to enter data into a profile that should not exist. There can be no answer to that.


No I am not. I have a single film that has 3 individual discs. Box Sets are a completely different - that is why invelos' has added a special section to the Rules to address that fact.

Are you saying that one should ignore the fact that there are 3 discs and only enter 1 and ignore the other 2?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Are you saying that one should ignore the fact that there are 3 discs and only enter 1 and ignore the other 2?

Yes and no. One enters them as discs in the Discs section of the profile and describes the contents of the bonus discs in the Features section. One does not create separate profiles for them.

The only time one creates a separate profile for bonus materials is if the disc contains materials regarding more than one movie, because in that case one cannot associate the contents with a specific profile (since each movie will have a separate profile).
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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I have read the rules and I don't see where you can prove your point except under Box Set rules which does not apply so we will need to agree to disagree.

I will read any further comments and thoughts on this thread but I think it is a waste of time for me to continue to address the matter.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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I have read the rules and I don't see where you can prove your point except under Box Set rules which does not apply so we will need to agree to disagree.

I will read any further comments and thoughts on this thread but I think it is a waste of time for me to continue to address the matter.

I too have read the rules and I don't see where you can prove your point.

In 18 years of profiling I can't recall coming across anyone arguing that bonus material discs should be entered as child profiles. I may not have a collection anywhere near the size of yours, but I have over 700 two or three disc single movie titles, and none of them have been entered with child profiles.

But, as you say, it may be pointless for the two of us to keep arguing, so I'll just wait and see if anyone else will pitch in and support your view.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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Quoting Kathy:
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Quoting GSyren:
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If you add children to a profile, you are in effect creating a box set. ...[/i]


No I am not. ...

... how is the field named, where you link the child profiles to the parent?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Quoting AiAustria:
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Quoting Kathy:
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If you add children to a profile, you are in effect creating a box set. ...[/i]


No I am not. ...

... how is the field named, where you link the child profiles to the parent?


Is feel obligated to answer your question.

First, I did not contribute this data, all I have done is vote on the contribution and subsequent additions/changes.

My initial query showed how the data was entered:

Title: Hellboy: Disc 1
Edition: Director's Cut
Media Types: DVD
Original Title:

There is now a contribution pending that wants to change this data to this:

Title: Hellboy: Disc 1
Edition: Director's Cut
Media Types: DVD
Original Title: Hellboy

The new contribution wants to add "Hellboy" to the Original Title field.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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I did not accuse you - or anybody - personally; I just wanted to point out, that you are in fact talking about a box set, an illegally created box set as othes pointed out before. and therefore I have to agree, that the initial question can not be answered by the rules, because the whole contribution is not covered by the rules...

But acknowledging the fact that one of the major impacts of the original titles is the matching of titles for the CLT, I'd like to come back to my first answer:

Quoting AiAustria:
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I don't know about any discussion about this issue, but the first variant breaks the CLT. Therefore I'd prefer the second one...


... which, after the duscussion and realizing the fact that there exists no rule to contadict, I'd postulate more specific: Including the Disc number for this profiles is not covered by any rule and therefore invalid.

Now we could open the can of worms by discussing, if a little bit less illegal is better than a little bit more illegal, but do we want to?
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The problem is the thinpaks for each disc.
Either remove the child profiles and just have the disc ids and no THINpak artwork.

To include the artwork, you have to contribute a child profile for each disc with the corresponding thinpak artwork. So disc 1 has the main feature and the original title of the film isn't Hellboy: Disc 1 (not even title of the THINpak) that is the title of the disc, so you need to add an original title\remove Disc 1 or Hellboy from existing title, or remove cast and crew.

No title on the THINpak just Disc 1

The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantLowpro
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If a given release I purchase includes more than one disc I always create a profile for the given release as a whole, then profiles for each individual disc.  I do this for a number of reasons.  Among them is the fact that it allows for using individual cover art for each disc if I want, having an individual "History" for each disc, i.e. "Events" (Borrowed, Returned, Watched), the ability to "Tag" individual discs in addition to being able to sort the "Collection List" by certain columns such as "Last Watched" or filter by certain criteria, and to do so all the way down to the disc level.

To each his own, but I find maintaining this structure quite advantageous.  That being said, the Contribution Rules can define a box set how ever it likes.  If I make a contribution I'll ensure it complies with the rules.  Locally I do as I please.  I have no desire for my local database to be a mirror image of the shared online database and could care less what the "collective" decides on with respects to the Contribution Rules.  I've been backing up my local database regularly since this product was first made available and have never needed to restore my collection from whatever Invelos Online Collection I might have in place.  When I download a profile I lock it down and make it my own.  Done deal.  As I said though, to each his own.
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