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| Registered: July 7, 2014 |  Posts: 21 |
| | Posted: | | | | I had an item removed following to a complaint about locality.
The info on the backcover said 'distribue par Warner Home Benelux, une Societe de Warner Bros. Entertainment Nederland BV.'
So I entered 'Netherlands'. The language on the cover was French and I ordered it from Amazon.fr.
I am a little bit confused here. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | "Locality" describes the country for which the specific release was originally produced.
A good indicator which country to pick is the rating-system used and/or the language of the overview.
A french overview on a dutch release would (at least) be unusual.
This leaves either Belgium or Luxembourg (the two French-speaking countries within BeNeLux).
Since specific releases for Luxembourg are quite rare (country is simply too small), I suppose it is an almost safe bet to assume that the correct locality for your DVD is Belgium. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Apparantly this DVD is distributed by Warner BeNeLux and this is a sub-company or a part of Warner Netherlands.
Given your flag you probably know this but for other people: Benelux is a compound word for "Belgium, Netherlands & Luxembourg"
My guess is that this particular DVD is aimed at the Belgian market since Warner has probably another subdsidiary in France itself and French is one of the official languages in Belgium.
Therfore I'd go with Belgium as locality, not France or Netherlands. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | What's the title and EAN of the release? |
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| Registered: July 7, 2014 | | Posts: 21 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know about Benelux, I am a Dutch speaking Belgian  There is no Netherlands (Dutch) release with this upc (I wont go in details here because I don't want fuzz, if mods or admins want i can pm them). There is a version with Dutch cover in the database with another upc. [b] Question is: what is the definition of locality.[/b] And it is quite important, because I noticed that by entering another locality you can duplicate items. I noticed numerous identical 'Netherlands' and 'Belgium' items. Greetings from the strange country called 'Belgium'  |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote:
Question is: what is the definition of locality. See here (first sentence). | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: July 7, 2014 | | Posts: 21 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
Quoting Jsco:
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Question is: what is the definition of locality.
See here (first sentence). But that is not objective. How do I find that out? I could enter all Benelux items as 'Belgian' but I chose to use the cover info. If it was DFW, I entered Netherlands altho I bought it in Belgium. | | | | Last edited: by Jsco |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote:
And it is quite important, because I noticed that by entering another locality you can duplicate items. This allows us to add different items which use the same UPC but are released in different localities. For example, it's not uncommon for the major studios to use the same UPC in the US and Canada. Usually, the release is the same exact disc and package. However on occasion the Canadian artwork may be bilingual or may be slightly different. The three digit prefix of the barcode should identify the intended market or locality. 300 - 379 = France 540 - 549 = Belgium and Luxembourg 870 - 879 = Netherlands |
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| Registered: July 7, 2014 | | Posts: 21 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Quoting Jsco:
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And it is quite important, because I noticed that by entering another locality you can duplicate items.
This allows us to add different items which use the same UPC but are released in different localities. For example, it's not uncommon for the major studios to use the same UPC in the US and Canada. Usually, the release is the same exact disc and package. However on occasion the Canadian artwork may be bilingual or may be slightly different.
The three digit prefix of the barcode should identify the intended market or locality.
300 - 379 = France
540 - 549 = Belgium and Luxembourg
870 - 879 = Netherlands This is good. The item was 505 which shows that the item i was talking about was neither benelux nor french but english.  http://www.gs1.org/barcodes/support/prefix_list I dont mind it should be easy to code the upc to countries, that relieves us from setting locations. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote:
This is good. The item was 505 which shows that the item i was talking about was neither benelux nor french but english.
http://www.gs1.org/barcodes/support/prefix_list
I dont mind it should be easy to code the upc to countries, that relieves us from setting locations. That's even worse as the 500 - 509 prefix is for the UK. However, I've noticed some of the major studios, although not all inclusive, such as Universal, WB, Studio Canal, etc. have used the 505 prefix for other countries / localities. However, 505 seems to be the unique exception. EDIT: It's very plausible the release you have was intended for the French market. If you were to post the EAN and title we might be able to determine the correct locality for the release. You can also find out who owns the UPC by using this search tool: http://gepir.gs1.org/v32/xx/gtin.aspx?Lang=en-US | | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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| Registered: July 7, 2014 | | Posts: 21 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Quoting Jsco:
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This is good. The item was 505 which shows that the item i was talking about was neither benelux nor french but english.
http://www.gs1.org/barcodes/support/prefix_list
I dont mind it should be easy to code the upc to countries, that relieves us from setting locations.
That's even worse as the 500 - 509 prefix is for the UK. However, I've noticed some of the major studios, although not all inclusive, such as Universal, WB, Studio Canal, etc. have used the 505 prefix for other countries / localities. However, 505 seems to be the unique exception.
EDIT: It's very plausible the release you have was intended for the French market.
If you were to post the EAN and title we might be able to determine the correct locality for the release.
You can also find out who owns the UPC by using this search tool:
http://gepir.gs1.org/v32/xx/gtin.aspx?Lang=en-US The GM's and admin's can very easily track the item i'm talking about. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote:
The GM's and admin's can very easily track the item i'm talking about. They very well might be able to do that but this is also a community supported database and forum where other members tend to help each other out. You'll rarely hear from a GM or admin though but as you wish.  |
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| Registered: July 7, 2014 | | Posts: 21 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Quoting Jsco:
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The GM's and admin's can very easily track the item i'm talking about.
They very well might be able to do that but this is also a community supported database and forum where other members tend to help each other out. You'll rarely hear from a GM or admin though but as you wish. Yep but then I get into a dispute with a guy from the Netherlands. Don't want that (or maybe I do /evil ). Thing is: this 'Locality' needs specifications. I am no evil, I want to do things right so tell me. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote:
Yep but then I get into a dispute with a guy from the Netherlands. Don't want that (or maybe I do /evil ).
Thing is: this 'Locality' needs specifications.
I am no evil, I want to do things right so tell me. No need to get into a dispute as we should be able to discuss this civilly. I can't see how much more we can tell you without knowing more about this specific release. Since the studio, which appears to be WB, used the 505 prefix more info about the release is needed. This is not an easy case hence probably the reason for confusion. | | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | On the back cover does it happen to say warnerbros.fr, warnerblu.fr, or warnerbros.be?
I noticed on the French releases it usually states:
Edité et distribué exclusivement par Warner Home Video France, une division de Warner Bros. Entertainment France S.A.S.
On Belgian releases it usually states:
Edité et distribué par Warner Home Video Benelux, une Société de Warner Bros. Entertainment Nederland B.V.
Also, what rating logo is present on the cover?
Based on this info I have to agree with DJ Deona that this was probably intended for the Belgian market unless additional info is presented.
warnerbros.fr = France
warnerbros.be = Belgium
warnerbros.nl = Netherlands | | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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| Registered: July 7, 2014 | | Posts: 21 |
| | Posted: | | | | In this case it says www.warnerbros.be
but also
Edité et distribué par Warner Home Video Benelux, une Société de Warner Bros. Entertainment Nederland B.V.
Websites are however not a unique way of describing 'location' see upc 5051888039359.
And I don't really care what location I enter, just want to know the definition, since it is not in the 'Contribution Rules' and apparently it does matter since I got a profile deleted because of it. |
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