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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just as a side note - have you actually compared barcodes? Do they look identical?if you have a barcode scanner even better. I'm just thinking it may be possible that they've printed the same number under the barcode, but the barcode itself may be different. There have been occasions in the past where a barcode and the number underneath it don't match. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Hybinette: Quote:
Anyway, I've sent Ken a PM about this, hopefully he will make a statement in this thread. I wouldn't hold my breath, this has been debated before with no comment from the powers that be  | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I'm sure it wouldn't harm the program or open it up to commercial abuse if Ken set the limit to maybe 3 or 4 profiles per UPC/disc ID. There is no point in setting a limit as that would be purely arbitrary. I know that Carrefour (a European) chain similar to Walmart in the US) issued a whole range of own rebranded DVDs all under the same UPC. I already have 4 of them and I'm pretty sure that they have dozens like that. One clean solution would be to use the UPC+DiskID combination as the unique identifier instead of UPC OR DiskID as it is currently the case. You would already resolve the majority of problems. The only ones left would be reissues of otherwise identical disks, or small companies also reusing DiskIDs (which happens even more rarely than reusing UPC). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
One clean solution would be to use the UPC+DiskID combination as the unique identifier instead of UPC OR DiskID as it is currently the case. You would already resolve the majority of problems. The only ones left would be reissues of otherwise identical disks, or small companies also reusing DiskIDs (which happens even more rarely than reusing UPC). Disc ids don't work the same way in version 3. If there is any difference in the disc (content, or it appears pressing plant) then it is unique. So that with UPC would solve the problem. As Rifter suggested this may be a problem for boxset child profiles, as they use the disc id as a unique identifier for the child profile. But I wonder if it could be worked round by having the boxset profile marked differently in some way. Has anybody come across a UPC that's been reused for a boxset? | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: June 24, 2007 |  Posts: 22 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Just as a side note - have you actually compared barcodes? Do they look identical?if you have a barcode scanner even better. I'm just thinking it may be possible that they've printed the same number under the barcode, but the barcode itself may be different. There have been occasions in the past where a barcode and the number underneath it don't match.  They look pretty identical to me.  Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
Disc ids don't work the same way in version 3. If there is any difference in the disc (content, or it appears pressing plant) then it is unique. So that with UPC would solve the problem. Now I'm confused again. I thought Repter's idea was pretty good, but I guess you meant that it would _not_ solve the problem, right? Anyway, like someone already said, I don't see any harm in allowing the database to carry multiple titles with the same UPC. I know it's been like that before. (By the way, sorry about posting a big image in the thread.) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Hybinette: Quote:
Now I'm confused again. I thought Repter's idea was pretty good, but I guess you meant that it would _not_ solve the problem, right?
Anyway, like someone already said, I don't see any harm in allowing the database to carry multiple titles with the same UPC. I know it's been like that before.
(By the way, sorry about posting a big image in the thread.) No I was agreeing. Except it would solve the problem even more effectively than he suggested. In the old program the disc id was read from the one set on the disc by the publisher. which meant you quite frequently got a disc id duplicated on mutliple disc. In this version of the program it uses some calculation to generate a disc id based on the discs content which makes it unique unless the content is identical. There is a potential problem with boxsets that would need to be worked around, but I see it as being possible. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | disc ID is the correct way to hande this. Ken will not iisue a 2nd Profile for this.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can't see any recent post that's suggested Ken apply the workaround to this title. Since you're last post stating this it's all been about a feature request to ease the general problem. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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| Registered: June 24, 2007 | | Posts: 22 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh well, I guess this case is pretty much closed, then. Ken has confirmed this in PM, and I don't want to be annoying and question his rules. However, I do think this should be explained in the rules or maybe in the forum, mostly because it will probably be brought up again by someone else. I guess my main hang-up on this issue is the lack of reason/explanaition behind it, rather than the issue itself. Not going to make further fuss about it though, I'll just leave that to someone else.  |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just an FYI, this has come up again with a Twilight Time release... Che! and The Vanishing, which were back to back releases for the studios, share the same UPC. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote:
Just an FYI, this has come up again with a Twilight Time release... Che! and The Vanishing, which were back to back releases for the studios, share the same UPC. Has anyone even received The Vanishing yet? Che was released in September but The Vanishing isn't released until this Tuesday. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
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Just an FYI, this has come up again with a Twilight Time release... Che! and The Vanishing, which were back to back releases for the studios, share the same UPC.
Has anyone even received The Vanishing yet? Che was released in September but The Vanishing isn't released until this Tuesday. I got it today for review. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote:
I got it today for review. Very interesting ... surprised they made that mistake given the two releases are spanned by a month. Guessing there will be a hole in the TT UPC sequence. I know we can add this by disc id but it would be great if Ken can add an additional entry for the same UPC. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
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I got it today for review.
Very interesting ... surprised they made that mistake given the two releases are spanned by a month. Guessing there will be a hole in the TT UPC sequence. I know we can add this by disc id but it would be great if Ken can add an additional entry for the same UPC. I agree but doubt it'll happen. I'm working on each one now and will just submit by disc ID. |
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| Registered: June 5, 2007 |  Posts: 4 |
| | Posted: | | | | Eureka Video (UK) recently made the same mistake.
They released Dual Format editions in their Masters of Cinema series of "Youth of the Beast" & Fellini's "I Clowns" on 27 Oct. 2014.
Both had the same UPC/EAN 5060000-701494.
I contacted them and found out that this was a misprint and the UPC/EAN of "Youth of the Beast" should actually be 5060000-701487 (only the last 2 digits are different).
Later batches supposedly have the correct UPC/EAN on the cover.
Problem is that "Youth of the Beast" is already in the database under the UPC/EAN that actually belongs to "I Clowns" (which is not in the database at this point).
How can I correct this? |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wait for the new version to be released, there is a feature being programmed to handle this situation. |
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