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"Widescreen" not on the cover
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Well. my first impulse was to vote No. But then I started thinking. Clearly ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title tells us something about the intention of the rule?

In my mind, the reason for the edition field has never been "There's something written in a banner on the front cover". To me, knowing that something is Widescreen when there's also a Fullscreen release is a lot more meaningful information than knowing that there is a banner on top of the front cover that says something like "Fox War Classics" (just an example). But that's just me...
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But Gunnar as hal noted there is NO Widescreen Edition on the back cover ONLY a reference to the Widescreen data in the features. Where does it end, and why do we have a special section dedicated to Video data? What's next, are we going to start trying cram the Audio data and the feature data in the edition field? I would vote NO period end of story and why this came up still confuses me, all you have to do is LOOK at the back cover and see there is NOTHING there.

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After previewing all 8 profiles, yes there are eight different UPC codes for the US release alone (all with the same release date), for Stars Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace, it appears to be the only widescreen release that doesn't have WIDESCREEN across the banner at the top. Seeing as the Full Screen version does have a banner, and with Full Screen in the edition field for that profile, I would have to agree that Widescreen in the edition field is wrong. Having the Full Screen version marked as such in the database clearly fulfills the rules requirement to be able to identify separate editions of the same movie to me.
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But Gunnar as hal noted there is NO Widescreen Edition on the back cover ONLY a reference to the Widescreen data in the features...


Yes, but 'widescreen' is a built in selection in the program AND is an example in the rules.  While I don't like it, I have to accept those facts.
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Not the way I interpret it.  If it is not on the DVD cover as an Edition, and this one is not, then it does not belong in the Edition field.

That's a very loose interpretation of the actual rule wording.
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Wouldn't it be great, instead of arguing these iffy situations over numerous pages, Ken simply made a decision each time a rule came into question.
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But Gunnar as hal noted there is NO Widescreen Edition on the back cover ONLY a reference to the Widescreen data in the features...


Yes, but 'widescreen' is a built in selection in the program AND is an example in the rules.  While I don't like it, I have to accept those facts.


I find myself in the same boat, to me the rules are clear so long as more than one version of a DVD exists then you can freely use any of the built in descriptions to distinguish between them; the voting process would then be used to decide if it was the appropriate distinction. Where it needs to be taken from the cover is if you want to add a free text edition of some kind (extreme edition etc).
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Yes, but 'widescreen' is a built in selection in the program AND is an example in the rules.  While I don't like it, I have to accept those facts.


It is? It's not in my version of DVD Profiler.

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After previewing all 8 profiles, yes there are eight different UPC codes for the US release alone (all with the same release date), for Stars Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace, it appears to be the only widescreen release that doesn't have WIDESCREEN across the banner at the top. Seeing as the Full Screen version does have a banner, and with Full Screen in the edition field for that profile, I would have to agree that Widescreen in the edition field is wrong. Having the Full Screen version marked as such in the database clearly fulfills the rules requirement to be able to identify separate editions of the same movie to me.

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But Gunnar as hal noted there is NO Widescreen Edition on the back cover ONLY a reference to the Widescreen data in the features...


Yes, but 'widescreen' is a built in selection in the program AND is an example in the rules.  While I don't like it, I have to accept those facts.

Actually "Widescreen" is not included in the default edition list.  Nothing about aspect ratios is in that list.  The default edition list currently holds things like "Special Edition", etc.  Actual edition stuff. 
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Ok, so those who vote No think it's ok to put Widescreen in the edition field if it's printed on a banner on the front, even though there may be no other edition -- but it's not Ok to put Widescreen in the edition field when there actually is a fullscreen edition as well, unless it's on a banner?

Well, that makes absolutely no sense to me.

If I want to know what any banner on the front cover says, I can look at the cover scan.
And sure, if I want to know if it's widescreen or not, I can look at the video data.

But which is more important? Knowing what any banner on the front cover may say, or knowing if the release in question is widescreen or fullscreen?

And, if we're discussing following the rules, why is it that nobody seems to take any notice of the second part of this sentence:
f you are using a non-standard description, take it from the DVD box, and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title. ???
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Not the way I interpret it.  If it is not on the DVD cover as an Edition, and this one is not, then it does not belong in the Edition field.

That's a very loose interpretation of the actual rule wording.


I agree with Rho, Unicus, you are playing very fast and loose with the Rules.

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Yes, but 'widescreen' is a built in selection in the program AND is an example in the rules.  While I don't like it, I have to accept those facts.


It is? It's not in my version of DVD Profiler.


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Actually "Widescreen" is not included in the default edition list.  Nothing about aspect ratios is in that list.  The default edition list currently holds things like "Special Edition", etc.  Actual edition stuff. 


Nice catch to both of you...and a green mark to boot.  It is not in this version of the program...BUT it is still an example in the rules. 
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Not the way I interpret it.  If it is not on the DVD cover as an Edition, and this one is not, then it does not belong in the Edition field.

That's a very loose interpretation of the actual rule wording.


I agree with Rho, Unicus, you are playing very fast and loose with the Rules.

Skip


Read it again...he was talking to hal.  I have never played fast and loose with the rules.  I have always taken them for exactly what they say...that is what a parser does. 
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I think you are playing very fast and loose in your inbterpretation, and I can't wait to see all the garbage that people will try to include based on your interpretation.<shakes head>

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I think you are playing very fast and loose in your inbterpretation, and I can't wait to see all the garbage that people will try to include based on your interpretation.<shakes head>

Skip


You are welcome to your opinion, it isn't true, but you are welcome to it.

My interpretation is based on what the rules actually say...not what I think or want them to say.  The rules say to take it from the case.  I don't know how anybody can interpret that to mean , "from the front of the case only" as that phrase isn't in the rules. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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