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Add Nigeria to the country list in the new update |
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| Registered: April 4, 2007 |  Posts: 884 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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Based on my experience as a programmer, the country list is a lookup table most likely compromised of two fields - and integer valued used as a reference key and the text value (in this case Country).
Adding a new row to a lookup reference table is almost zero effort.
This doesn't change the fact that adding a COO for a single film is not really necessary. Therefor, there are more important things to be done. You're just not getting it. As a programmer I can tell you it's one minute of work to add that country to the relevant table if he programmed it right to begin with. Now, it seems he has to add the rating system too for that locality (which is a PITA as it means only countries with rating systems can produce movies which makes no sense) but as long as people provide that, it should take a max of 10 minutes to add that country. I can see no reason at all why Ken has so much problems adding important countries when they are requested, like Iran. It's really no work at all compared to the other things he does with the program but contrary to a lot of other things it is actually something people apparently need. | | | | - Jan |
| | Registered: October 19, 2008 |  Posts: 409 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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Based on my experience as a programmer, the country list is a lookup table most likely compromised of two fields - and integer valued used as a reference key and the text value (in this case Country).
Adding a new row to a lookup reference table is almost zero effort.
This doesn't change the fact that adding a COO for a single film is not really necessary. Therefor, there are more important things to be done. So you have checked the database for every Nigerian film ever made. Even if there is only one, there will be a lot more in the future. I just ordered one. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
This will be relevant only if Nigerian films start appearing on DVD/Blu-ray in one or more DVDP localities. Completly irrevelent... It isn't important at all if those movies are or aren't on dvd yet. The fact is they will be and it takes only a couple of minute to add this in the program. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
You're just not getting it. As a programmer I can tell you it's one minute of work to add that country to the relevant table if he programmed it right to begin with. Now, it seems he has to add the rating system too for that locality (which is a PITA as it means only countries with rating systems can produce movies which makes no sense) but as long as people provide that, it should take a max of 10 minutes to add that country. I can see no reason at all why Ken has so much problems adding important countries when they are requested, like Iran. It's really no work at all compared to the other things he does with the program but contrary to a lot of other things it is actually something people apparently need. Ewww, I forgot about the ratings...  |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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Based on my experience as a programmer, the country list is a lookup table most likely compromised of two fields - and integer valued used as a reference key and the text value (in this case Country).
Adding a new row to a lookup reference table is almost zero effort.
This doesn't change the fact that adding a COO for a single film is not really necessary. Therefor, there are more important things to be done.
You're just not getting it. As a programmer I can tell you it's one minute of work to add that country to the relevant table if he programmed it right to begin with. Now, it seems he has to add the rating system too for that locality (which is a PITA as it means only countries with rating systems can produce movies which makes no sense) but as long as people provide that, it should take a max of 10 minutes to add that country. I can see no reason at all why Ken has so much problems adding important countries when they are requested, like Iran. It's really no work at all compared to the other things he does with the program but contrary to a lot of other things it is actually something people apparently need. No you are the one who isn't getting it. I am saying the particular country being asked for isn't important enough to be added. It has 1 film in the database and seven available on DVD. Who cares at that point. |
| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting dee1959jay:
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This will be relevant only if Nigerian films start appearing on DVD/Blu-ray in one or more DVDP localities.
Completly irrevelent... It isn't important at all if those movies are or aren't on dvd yet. The fact is they will be and it takes only a couple of minute to add this in the program. EDIT: By this logic we should just add all 266 nations of the world so IF they ever start making films we are ready for them. I am sorry but I just have to disagree. We had this argument with Iran. Just because a country put out a few films doesn't mean it gets a COO place. | | | | Last edited: by Lord Of The Sith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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Based on my experience as a programmer, the country list is a lookup table most likely compromised of two fields - and integer valued used as a reference key and the text value (in this case Country).
Adding a new row to a lookup reference table is almost zero effort.
This doesn't change the fact that adding a COO for a single film is not really necessary. Therefor, there are more important things to be done.
You're just not getting it. As a programmer I can tell you it's one minute of work to add that country to the relevant table if he programmed it right to begin with. Now, it seems he has to add the rating system too for that locality (which is a PITA as it means only countries with rating systems can produce movies which makes no sense) but as long as people provide that, it should take a max of 10 minutes to add that country. I can see no reason at all why Ken has so much problems adding important countries when they are requested, like Iran. It's really no work at all compared to the other things he does with the program but contrary to a lot of other things it is actually something people apparently need. Hydrox: While i understand your argument, i would argue that there are issues which are much more important and far-reaching in nature, than in worrying about taking 10 minutes to add a country. Such as figuring out the fix for the link system and numerous other issues. Ithink the best answer for these is aws i have mentioned before, an Other country with a linked field that the user can fill in. Many of these kind of thing seem to be of rather limited interest, shoot I ran across a BD that has both French and French Canadian subtitles. We seem to be getting bogged down in this country be added to COO, or this language added to Audio or Subs and so forth. As long asthere are some very serious and very major issues that continue to need addressing, I as a programmer would look for some other way to deal with these sorts of things than to take 10 minutes to add this country and another 10 minutes to add that one and so forth, I as a programmer would think that at this point i have a lot bigger fish to fry with the program than this kind of thing, so i would look for a fix that is much simpler and could be applied across a wider range, as I have described. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
By this logic we should just add all 233 nations of the world so IF they ever start making films we are ready for them. In a perfect world that would be the best thing to do. Like I've said it isn't that much work to do it and the fact it's link with the rating is in my oppinion a very bad programming decision (Country of origin and dvd locality aren't the same thing at all). I don't own any Nigerian film (not my cup of tea), but I find the request reasonable. We disagree and it's perfect we aren't robot programmed to say the same thing  |
| | Registered: October 19, 2008 | | Posts: 409 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it is too hard to add Iran and Nigeria, is ther any way to make so people can write in the country themselfs. I know nothing about programming. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Jericko:
At this time there is not, that is the solution I suggested. Simply an checkbox for Other and that would in turn permit you to fill in a field with iran, Nigeria or whatever. This would allow ken to steup his country adds on a schedule of his choosing, say every major upgrade, like 4.0, for example while also allowing users to, at least satisfy themselves in the interim.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think you can do this by creating a translation files... Try to PM surfeur about this, I'm sure he will help you with this  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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By this logic we should just add all 233 nations of the world so IF they ever start making films we are ready for them.
In a perfect world that would be the best thing to do. Like I've said it isn't that much work to do it and the fact it's link with the rating is in my oppinion a very bad programming decision (Country of origin and dvd locality aren't the same thing at all).
I don't own any Nigerian film (not my cup of tea), but I find the request reasonable. We disagree and it's perfect we aren't robot programmed to say the same thing AESP: This would actually only complicate things, Countries change names and so forth, then let's take that to languages, are there 233 languages  ...hardly. There are many more languages than that, some of them are "dead", not to mention various dialects, some users would be highly likely to argue are languages unto themselves. Like French and French Canadian, or perhaps Spanish (Mexico) versus Spanish (Castillian). It can get very ugly, very quickly, I have seen, one film so far that lists not only French Canadian but french as well, it even lists the two differenet spanish "languages", not to mention the number of films that list both Mandarin and Cantonese or some such. While this is all important data and at some point we should be able to capture it pproperly, I also think that Ken needs to vbe able to schedule such issues instead of taking time from programming far bigger issues. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
No you are the one who isn't getting it. I am saying the particular country being asked for isn't important enough to be added. It has 1 film in the database and seven available on DVD. Who cares at that point. Who cares? If one person owns one of those 7, at least 7 remember, it's not important (except to the one person perhaps if they want that filled in). If 100,000 users own one of those 7, then to answer your question, I'd say a lot of people care. It's not about how many Nigerian movies are readily available on DVD, it's about how many people have one or more of those. As to the programming side, I keep hearing 10 minutes thrown around. Not having seen Ken's code and being another programmer, I think that's a fair guess. Now if Ken has a deadline of next week, then 10 minutes is huge. But that's not how things work. Ken has no hard deadlines with his work. And his development schedule is usually about a year per version. Finding a place to squeeze in 10 minutes during an entire year shouldn't be too much of an effort. Especially since he doesn't have deadlines to meet. And the impact to getting other more important things done is completely a non-issue. And of course this is all based off speculation since I doubt anyone has seen the code. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 853 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Quoting Lord Of The Sith:
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No you are the one who isn't getting it. I am saying the particular country being asked for isn't important enough to be added. It has 1 film in the database and seven available on DVD. Who cares at that point.
Who cares? If one person owns one of those 7, at least 7 remember, it's not important (except to the one person perhaps if they want that filled in). If 100,000 users own one of those 7, then to answer your question, I'd say a lot of people care. It's not about how many Nigerian movies are readily available on DVD, it's about how many people have one or more of those.
As to the programming side, I keep hearing 10 minutes thrown around. Not having seen Ken's code and being another programmer, I think that's a fair guess. Now if Ken has a deadline of next week, then 10 minutes is huge. But that's not how things work. Ken has no hard deadlines with his work. And his development schedule is usually about a year per version. Finding a place to squeeze in 10 minutes during an entire year shouldn't be too much of an effort. Especially since he doesn't have deadlines to meet. And the impact to getting other more important things done is completely a non-issue.
And of course this is all based off speculation since I doubt anyone has seen the code. Since only 1 film is in the database it is likely that the other films are not owned by people in our community. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lord Of The Sith: Quote:
Since only 1 film is in the database it is likely that the other films are not owned by people in our community. That's a good point. I think both sides made good points. That might even be a new record! I guess it's in Ken's hands now. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
I think you can do this by creating a translation files... Try to PM surfeur about this, I'm sure he will help you with this With a translation file, you can change a country in another, not add one. If you do not use "Mexico", for example, you can "translate" it to "Nigeria", but you have to keep the concerned profiles local. Translation files are very useful to customize local databases. I used them for genres before Ken added new ones, and also to use fields for other purposes (I use rating details field for box office data). You can also rename fields to fit the rules (Production Year>Theatrical Year). Tools>Options>System>Language>Edit | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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