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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,684 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I don't own this so I am just guessing...and this, by the way, is why I don't normally get involved in these types of discussions.
While the menu doesn't make a distinction, the front cover of the case does. I am guessing that the version with English Audio has a title card that says 'The Burglars' and the version with French Audio has a title card that says 'Le Casse'.
I would profile the version with a title card that matches the title on the front of the case...which is where we are supposed to get the title from. Why would you do it any other way?  Because the French version is the longer, uncut version. Why would you chose the cut version over the uncut version just because it happens to have a different credit sequence? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Because the French version is the longer, uncut version. To quote you, "I don't see any support for that in the rules." Nowhere, in the rules, does it say to create the profile based on run time. Quote:
Why would you chose the cut version over the uncut version just because it happens to have a different credit sequence? I believe I already explained this, but I will make one last attempt...It isn't about cut verses uncut, it's about what was purchased. Based on the cover you posted, a release titled 'The Burglars' was purchased. Because of that, I would create the profile based on the film with that title. I own 'Avatar: Extended Collector's Edition', which also contains the theatrical version. When I profiled that title, I used the extended version, not because it was longer, but because that is the version I purchased as indicated on the front cover. For me, this is no different. I've asked several times, and have yet to receive an answer, but why would you do it any other way? Just because it is longer? Again, not supported by the rules, so why? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | After having seen some screen shots, I'd profile the English version. Here's why:
1. The cover is in English. While it contains the French version, it's clearly being marketed to English speakers. So I'd profile the English version.
2. Not only is the cover in English, they list the Domestic version before the International version.
3. The screen shot of the menu lists the English version first and the French version second. Again, they're both on the same screen, but preference was given to the English version by listing it first.
None of those are super strong reasons, but since this case isn't covered by the rules, that's what I would go with. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I've asked several times, and have yet to receive an answer, but why would you do it any other way? The problem is not to choose a version, but to fill the different fields of the profile per the rules. Since rules impose the longest for runtime, it is consistent to fill the other fields concerning the movie with this version. In fact, audio is not a problem (English + French, English subtitles), and aspect ratio would be a problem only if the two versions differ, which I doubt. Remains the credits, and once again, to be consistent with the field imposed by rules, I would take longest version. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thank you for the answer. While I don't agree, it does help simplify my answer. Apologies for paraphrasing.
The very first rule, for a field, is for the title field. That rule imposes the title from the front of the case. That title is for the English language version. It is consistent to fill the other fields concerning the movie with that version...except for the one area where the rules specifically tell us otherwise. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
That title is for the English language version. No, that title is for the DVD, so for both included versions. For both versions, the original title is "Le Casse" per the rules. So, per the rules, there is no difference between both versions concerning title. This movie is called "The Burglars" in America, and when an America user watches the international version, he says I watched "The Burglars" in original subtitled version . Same here, when I watch "Les Dents de la mer", I do not say I watch "Jaws" when I watch the original subtitled version. We agree there is no discussion about the title. Then, after, we have to enter each field per the rules. Rules say nothing in this case for credits, but I think it is better for the profile if all movies fields concern the same version. Another way of reasoning : if the DVD contained only International version, it would also be called "The Burglars", as all your DVD for "Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amélie Poulain" are called "Amélie". | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,684 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
To quote you, "I don't see any support for that in the rules." Nowhere, in the rules, does it say to create the profile based on run time. Well, there is this: Quote:
For branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc, use the longest running time. While it doesn't explicitly say that the entire profile should be based on the version with the longest runtime, it says that the runtime should. And in my opinion, that implies that the entire profile should, too. Otherwise we would end up with a profile that contains a mix of properties from the two versions, and that makes no sense at all. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
We agree there is no discussion about the title. We do NOT agree. For me it is all about the title. Quote:
Then, after, we have to enter each field per the rules. Rules say nothing in this case for credits, but I think it is better for the profile if all movies fields concern the same version. On this we agree, we just disagree on which field should be used as the key. For you, it is run time. For me, it is the title. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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To quote you, "I don't see any support for that in the rules." Nowhere, in the rules, does it say to create the profile based on run time.
Well, there is this:
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For branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc, use the longest running time.
While it doesn't explicitly say that the entire profile should be based on the version with the longest runtime, it says that the runtime should. And in my opinion, that implies that the entire profile should, too. Otherwise we would end up with a profile that contains a mix of properties from the two versions, and that makes no sense at all. I have already addressed this and I don't agree. For me, it makes more sense that the profile match the title that is listed on the front of the case. To have the profile match a different title simply because we are forced to use that run time makes zero sense to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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We agree there is no discussion about the title.
We do NOT agree. Fort me, it is DVD title : The Burglars Original title : Le Casse What are they for you ? | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,684 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I have already addressed this and I don't agree. For me, it makes more sense that the profile match the title that is listed on the front of the case. To have the profile match a different title simply because we are forced to use that run time makes zero sense to me. So just because the onscreen titles are different you prefer a profile that matches neither version? OK, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, because that makes no sense to me. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
So just because the onscreen titles are different you prefer a profile that matches neither version? OK, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, because that makes no sense to me. As I have explained, and you have chosen to ignore, I prefer that the profile match the version listed on the front of the case with the exception of the run time. With that being said, thank you for reminding me why I didn't answer your question in the first place. As I feared, you didn't really want opinions, you wanted validation.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,684 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually I wanted to know if there was anything in the rules that I had missed, or any edict from Invelos in the forum that I wasn't aware of.
I also wanted opinions, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with them. I don't understand your view that the cover specifies a certain version. I don't see it that way. But even though I don't agree with you, I respect and value your opinion.
I sincerely hope that if I ask for an opinion again, you will offer me yours, MadMartian. There is nothing wrong with argumentation as long as it is kept civil. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
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