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My Tombstone Submission - Check this out |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 519 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Doesn't matter...at least not to me. He made a change to that actor entry, so his change must follow the rules. The rules say to copy it exactly as it is in the credits unless the actor's name is different. He didn't document that the actor's name was different so it must match the end credits. Again, that is how I read the rules.
But the "Name" in the existing profile was different from the "as credited" name, therefore it meets the requirement of the Rule and he should "use the "as credited" field. Correct, the name in the the existing profile was different from the "as credited" name. But that doesn't automatically make it the 'correct' or 'common' name without further documentation. | | | | Stuart | | | | Last edited: by Gadgeteer |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
So your interpretation of the rules would require erroneous, unsubstantiated data? No, my interpretation requires documentation to deviate from the standard 'norm'...in this case, the end credits. Quote:
If I had created a brand new actor entry for Gary//Clark, I would have seen just as many people voting against the profile for not using the "Credited As" feature. I don't know that to be true. I have seen quite a few submissions where actors where changed to what was listed in the end credits and passed with all 'yes' votes. Quote:
If existing profile data can't be used a baseline for updates; then the database is worthless.
We might as well go back to version 2.x, turn of the Credited As field, say screw the linking; and have each profile be an island unto itself. Existing data has never been the baseline for updates. The DVD is the baseline. To deviate from that requires documentation. As I said, you don't have to agree. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Hmmm...that's a bit of a cop out.
The hypothetical was merely to illustrate two other "related", yet totally independent fields. There is no requirement to correct and/or document one, just because you are submitting the other. I am sorry you feel that way. However, I can not give you an honest answer based on a field I do not deal with. I have given considerable thought to the credit section, I have not done the same for the title section. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | To lighten things up a bit, here's a short spelling lesson: The preferred spelling of the negative of the verb "can" is 'cannot', without a space.  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Existing data has never been the baseline for updates. The DVD is the baseline. To deviate from that requires documentation.
As I said, you don't have to agree. And I don't!  Because my submission was an update to the existing profile based on information that came directly from the DVD. All changes to the profile were documented. You voted against the update because I left the underlying actor information in place, and used the Credited As field to ensure the credits matched the end titles. |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
You have corrected the as credited to match the credits and documented it. That's fine.
However, you have also added a common name entry. That also requires documentation. Moving the old credited as to common name is not good enough on it's own.
I would have voted no on this submission. I didn't add any Common Name information. See my screenshot at the beginning of this thread. I left the existing First/Middle/Last name fields exactly as they were in the existing profile, and used the Credited As field to correct a previous contribution (or entry), without breaking the relationships between those actors and other titles they may appear in. This change was documented, as the rules require. Skip and Unicus have continually suggested that I add a new Actor entry for each of the three actors whose names were inconsistant with how they were credited. I submit that if they think I am wrong, that they provide proof that the actors are not the ones that were originally credited with that role. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
Quoting Gadgeteer:
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You have corrected the as credited to match the credits and documented it. That's fine.
However, you have also added a common name entry. That also requires documentation. Moving the old credited as to common name is not good enough on it's own.
I would have voted no on this submission.
I didn't add any Common Name information. See my screenshot at the beginning of this thread. I left the existing First/Middle/Last name fields exactly as they were in the existing profile, and used the Credited As field to correct a previous contribution (or entry), without breaking the relationships between those actors and other titles they may appear in.
This change was documented, as the rules require. Skip and Unicus have continually suggested that I add a new Actor entry for each of the three actors whose names were inconsistant with how they were credited. I submit that if they think I am wrong, that they provide proof that the actors are not the ones that were originally credited with that role. You already did that. The credits are all the proof I need to determine that you contribution is incorrect. As I said, the DVD is the standard. To deviate from that standard you need to provide documentation. You didn't so you get a 'no' vote. At this point, we are just talking in circles. Gerri will eventually decide whether this contribution is approved or not. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You guys have absolutely no concept of this sysrtem...at all. And because of that it is doomed.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You guys have absolutely no concept of this sysrtem...at all. And because of that it is doomed.
Skip  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Unicus. The rules do not state to enter the actor's name and wait for someone else to come along and correct it with a "credited as" entry. If a profile entry has an incorrect (meaning not as credited) entry, adding a "credited as" entry to that incorect entry is establishing a common name and must be documented. | | | | Kevin |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yet another insulting and snide post, rick. Nice
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting antolod: Quote:
I agree with Unicus. The rules do not state to enter the actor's name and wait for someone else to come along and correct it with a "credited as" entry. If a profile entry has an incorrect (meaning not as credited) entry, adding a "credited as" entry to that incorect entry is establishing a common name and must be documented. I agree. If the credit is "Gary Clark" and the entry in Profiler is "Gary Clarke" there are two possible explanations. Either the actor is actually named Gary Clark and the entry is just misspelled by the contributor, or the actor is in fact named Gary Clarke and the credit itself is a variation of his name. Adding "credited as" says that it is actually the latter, and therefore needs documentation. Edit: To put it another way - adding "credited as" actually changes the meaning of the original name entry. Gary Clarke as Crawley Dake says that he is credited as Gary Clarke, which is wrong Gary Clarke [Gary Clark] as Crawley Dake says that he is credited as Gary Clark, but is actually played by Gary Clarke. Thus the Gary Clarke entry, even though unchanged, takes on an entirely different meaning when "credited as" is entered, and must therefore be documented. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Let's take a hypothetical.
User X makes a contribution for 'The Good, the Bad and the Ugly' to add the Original Title ('Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo) which is currently blank.
This is the only change submitted by user X to the profile.
When you go to review the contribution, you notice that the "Title" field says"The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". Clearly a capitalization error.
Would you vote "No" on the contribution? I thought of a different hypothetical for you. Say user X is making a contribution for 'Far and Away'. Say, for some reason or another, the credits in the profile read: Tom Cruz as Josheph Nicole Kidmen as Shannon User X, based on the end credits, adds the 'as credited' name creating the following entry: Tom Cruz [Tom Cruise] as Joseph Nicole Kidmen [Nicole Kidman] as Shannon Would you vote 'yes'? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would vote yes if they gave documentation that shows that Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman have gone by those names as credited. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
Tombstone DVD: $19.99
DVD Profiler: $24.99
Proving Skip wrong: Priceless
The original SRP for Tombstone, if I remember correctly was $29.99. Best Buy sold it for $24.95 on opening day, and it was commonly marked down to $19.95 for the first week to pump up sales. That is more or less standard procedure for most DVDs. Walmart typically runs the first week knockdown price between $15.75 and $17.87 from $19.99 regular price for a single disc title. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Let's take a hypothetical.
User X makes a contribution for 'The Good, the Bad and the Ugly' to add the Original Title ('Il Buono, il brutto, il cattivo) which is currently blank.
This is the only change submitted by user X to the profile.
When you go to review the contribution, you notice that the "Title" field says"The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". Clearly a capitalization error.
Would you vote "No" on the contribution?
I thought of a different hypothetical for you.
Say user X is making a contribution for 'Far and Away'.
Say, for some reason or another, the credits in the profile read:
Tom Cruz as Josheph
Nicole Kidmen as Shannon
User X, based on the end credits, adds the 'as credited' name creating the following entry:
Tom Cruz [Tom Cruise] as Joseph
Nicole Kidmen [Nicole Kidman] as Shannon
Would you vote 'yes'? No. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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