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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: "Notice of CES Press Conference Cancellation by North American HD DVD Promotion Group: Based on the timing of the Warner Home Video announcement today, we have decided to postpone our CES 2008 press conference scheduled for Sunday, January 6th at 8:30 p.m. in the Wynn Hotel. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We are currently discussing the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluating next steps. We believe the consumer continues to benefit from HD DVD's commitment to quality and affordability -- a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format. We’ll continue to keep you updated on new developments around HD DVD." -- Deadline Hollywood Daily | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| Registered: September 7, 2007 | Posts: 265 |
| Posted: | | | | So, what if anything does anyone here feel that Toshiba and crew can do as a "next step"? Is forfeiture the only choice for them? |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote: Quoting mdnitoil:
Quote: Ouch...the next mainstream home video format exclusively controlled by Sony. Given how thoroughly they've screwed consumers in the past when they are in control, it does not bode well for innovation or pricing. Oh well, to the victor goes the spoils. Too bad we're the spoils.
Ugh, no!
How about "controlled by the Blu-ray Disc Association". Well that's embarrassing. For some reason I thought it was Sony that had exclusive control over both replication AND authoring. You know, the parts that actually determine how much the little disks costs? Had I known that all of it was in the hands of the benevolant Blu-ray Disc Association I wouldn't have panicked. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting twojayz: Quote: So, what if anything does anyone here feel that Toshiba and crew can do as a "next step"? Is forfeiture the only choice for them? I can't see HD DVD doing too much more to keep themselves afloat (from a business point of view). Their only way to win the war (or at least make it a 50/50 marketplace) was through studio support. If Warners went their way (or even stayed neutral), they could continue the fight. Without Warners, all they have is Universal (rumored to be going neutral themselves soon), Dreamworks and Paramount (both of whom signed an 18-month deal in return for a big paycheck). It looks like Toshiba will need to cut bait sooner rather than later or risk the wrath of its stockholders. Look at how Circuit City suffered for not abandoning DIVX as quickly as they should have. |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 366 |
| Posted: | | | | Sony wrote the initial authoring software, but I don't believe that is the sole option any longer and they are certainly not the only company controlling disc replication. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,339 |
| Posted: | | | | agreed this is an association of many electronic companies... this news is excellent for the format war situation... and the fact is that the better tech has won this... | | | -JoN |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,339 |
| Posted: | | | | Notice of CES Press Conference Cancellation by North American HD DVD Promotion Group Based on the timing of the Warner Home Video announcement today, we have decided to postpone our CES 2008 press conference scheduled for Sunday, January 6th at 8:30 p.m. in the Wynn Hotel. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We are currently discussing the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluating next steps. We believe the consumer continues to benefit from HD DVD's commitment to quality and affordability – a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format. via EngadgetEDIT: Sorry Erik beat me to it, and in my excitement i reposted... | | | -JoN | | | Last edited: by ruineddaydreams |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 315 |
| Posted: | | | | The Blu-Ray Specifications and technology were developed by Philips in the Netherlands. Sony was the major investor covering R&D expenses followed by Philips. Some other brands (LG and Samsung at least, if I recall correctly) came aboard in the final stages also giving a little contribution ($$). If you are a manufacturer that wants to license the Blu-Ray technology to make players, you have to deal with the BDA Association. If you consult their corporate/licensing site, you'll see that you have to send your application & payment to the association secretary (Sony Corporation, Japan), that will validate it, and send your data to Royal Philips Electronics, The Netherlands. Philips will then contact you providing you all the technical documentation and also providing all post-licensing technical costumer support. So, it's not really "Sony's technology", although Sony's engineers have also given their input and suggestions at several development phases. Source: The BDA licensing web site and an ex college colleague of mine, now at R&D at philips, Netherlands that gave me some sneak previews during the last years (nothing of major importance, obviously).
I'm happy to see this war becoming more defined, and I think the time is right, as you'll see several chinese brands coming up with blu-ray players this CES. This will, in my opinion, start to take care of what was my major fear of a premature ending of this war: the artificial keeping of high player prices on the blu field. If we start seeing these chinese brands putting their players in the market in the course of 2008, it will be the major boost for massification of HD, the way I see it. | | | With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three thousand miles closer to globular cluster M13 in the constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,339 |
| Posted: | | | | Variety is now reporting: New Line will go Blu-Ray exclusive along with Warner Bros., in addition the reason Warner Bros. will continue to support HD-DVD till May 31st is because of contractual agreements with Toshiba. In addition, apparently the reason behind this change is in fact the sales data from december indication, that blu-ray players sell better, despite being about $100 more expensive, and blu-ray discs sell at a ration of 2:1 over HD-DVD discs. Also, sales for regular DVD is down, and apparently they believe it is because consumers are waiting to see what happens with High Def first, they don't want to have to rebuy in HD, so they are just not buying at all.... This is looking like quite the day for Blu-Ray... there is no way for HD-DVD to last out now... | | | -JoN | | | Last edited: by ruineddaydreams |
| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | A_S is probably pooping 's out his butt right now. I had some thought provoking conversation to put here but my lack-of-short term memory took a hit when the A_S thought snuck in. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | I prefer HD DVD and would like to see them pull off something big. But I'm also not stupid. I plan to start getting BD savvy and perhaps pick something up by my birthday in March. In the mean time, I plan to enjoy all the HD DVDs I already have and will still keep my eyes open for good sales. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
| Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 405 |
| Posted: | | | | I still don't get how Warner Bros can be fooled by the week 1.6:1 to 2:1 sales lead by Blu-Ray over this holiday season? Let's seriously look at these numbers for a moment folks!!! How many Blu-Ray BOGO sales have we seen since November? How many huge Blu-Ray exclusives did we see hit the stores? How big was the PS3 40gb price drop in adding to the Blu-Ray player base line?
The bottom line is that the big sales have allowed BD to maintain it currents software sales lead...barely...despite the 2.7 million in home BD Players vs. the 750,000 in home HD-DVD players! The average consumer had the option to buy cheap(er) PS3s and very cheap HD-DVD players and yet the software sales remained convoluted at best! Why???
I think that the current "confusion" over this format war is being overlooked!!! People don't understand at this point why they should buy Harry Potter at $30 on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray when they can get it for under $20 on DVD...or better yet, they just plain don't want to spend $30 dollars for movies that they typically can get during release week for $16-$20 from either their local Wal-Mart or BestBuy!!!
And don't talk to me about HD quality picture and HD quality audio, because after sitting in Bestbuy and explaining it to a consumer when a Bestbuy salesperson didn't know the correct answer, I believe it is obvious that your average Joe doesn't know squat about High Definition, upscaling DVD, HDMI, or TrueHD Audio and neither do the normal sales reps!!!
I intend to go format neutral when I purchase my PS3 at the end of this month, but even now with my HD-DVD already hooked up, I don't feel like spending $30 on an HD-DVD!!! I checked these and other forum's daily hoping to pounce upon any big HD-DVD sale!!!
I guess in the end if SONY and the bda (notice the caps?) do end up winning this thing, Toshiba and Microsoft can look back and wonder just what could've been had the XBOX 360 had a standard HD-DVD player installed form the outset!!! | | | My Collection!!! |
| Registered: September 7, 2007 | Posts: 265 |
| Posted: | | | | Anyone see that WB and FOX were reportedly paid close to a combined 1 BILLION bucks? Good to see the consumer has chosen...
I'm not going to stop buying HD DVD just yet. Hell, I'm going to Best Buy (I hate them too) today to pick up the five remaining WB titles I want that I don't have. Must be a sign that it's FIVE titles I want on the last day of a B3G2 deal...Just enjoy your media people, whatever that media is. And don't stop supporting anything yet. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Calidain: Quote: I still don't get how Warner Bros can be fooled by the week 1.6:1 to 2:1 sales lead by Blu-Ray over this holiday season? Let's seriously look at these numbers for a moment folks!!! How many Blu-Ray BOGO sales have we seen since November? How many huge Blu-Ray exclusives did we see hit the stores? How big was the PS3 40gb price drop in adding to the Blu-Ray player base line?
Warner said "international sales" not U.S. Sales. Internationally, BR was outselling HD DVD in some locations 7-1. On another note, Variety has reported that New Line will announce BR exclusivity soon. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117978461.html?categoryid=1009&cs=1Quote:
Warner Bros. backs Blu-ray Studio to support Sony high-def format By DIANE GARRETT
Warner Bros. will throw all its weight behind Blu-ray later this year, a decision that could serve as a death blow to the rival HD DVD format.
Studio, which had hinted it might drop one format after the holidays, said it decided to back Blu-ray to try and reduce confusion brought on by the high-def format war and better drive mainstream adoption. Warner made the decision heading into the annual Consumer Electronics Show confab in Las Vegas, where it had been skedded to participate in activities promoting the rival HD DVD format on Sunday evening.
Warner execs cited Blu-ray's domestic and international sales as the tipping point in its favor. From the start, the Sony developed format enjoys has had an advantage in greater studio support and the PlayStation 3 console, which plays high-def movies and, at least in the early going, was much more affordable than Blu-ray decks, which have tended to carry a higher price tag than HD DVD counterparts.
Warner's move leaves only Paramount and Universal squarely in the HD DVD camp. Sony, Fox, Disney and Lionsgate all back Blu-ray. Warner sister company New Line confirmed it will shift allegiance to Blu-ray only as well.
Warner has been the sole major backing both formats since late this summer, when Paramount dropped Blu-ray in favor of HD DVD, due in part to marketing incentives proffered by Toshiba and belief HD DVD's lower cost would drive greater mainstream adoption.
However, hardware manufacturers for both sides offered sizable discounts for players during the holidays, reducing the price gap between the two formats. And studios did their part to dangle promotional incentives on the software side.
Yet Warner found that consumers still hesitated to dip their toes into the high-def waters due to confusion over the dueling formats.
"The price impediment was going away, but the take up wasn't increasing that much," said Warner Home Entertainment topper Kevin Tsujihara. "The research was making it pretty clear there was still a tremendous amount of confusion among consumers."
Supporting both formats came with a cost for the studio, which had to maintain dual inventories for their releases. And while the studio had some of the best sellers on high-def when both formats were added together, they couldn't help but wonder whether dual support was helping, or hurting, the transition to a next-gen format.
"By us being both, we were playing into consumer confusion," Tsujihara said. "There's a window of opportunity with first time buyers of HD TVs to also buy a high-def player at the same time."
"The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger," Warner Bros. chairman and CEO Barry Meyer seconded.
However, the studio insists that cost was not the underlying motivation for the shift. Paramount drew a lot of flak for taking Toshiba incentives, said to be $150 million, to exclusively back HD DVD.
"This was not a bidding war," Tsujihara said.
He pointed out that worldwide the DVD biz brings in $42 billion annually and his studio draws the greatest portion of that as market share leader.
"That amount far dwarfs any financial incentives," he said.
And indeed, Paramount has maintained that it backed HD DVD because it was generally lower priced and therefore had a greater chance of mass adoption.
Warners' Blu-ray shift has been rumored for some time, but the studio insisted it would wait to see how both formats fared during the crucial holiday sales period before backing one format exclusively. Indeed, late in the fourth quarter, the studio ran full page newspaper ads touting HD DVD benefits on one side and Blu-ray on the other. During this point, homevid topper Ron Sanders talked openly of the need to move beyond the format war and convince consumers of the benefits of high-def (Variety, Dec. 17-23).
Warner’s timing apparently took the HD DVD camp by surprise, however. Thursday afternoon, shortly before Warner said it notified Toshiba of the decision, HD DVD backers were paying media calls. The North American HD DVD Promo Group cancelled its Sunday CES confab after Warner’s went public with the decision Friday afternoon.
The shift doesn’t go into effect until June 1. Sanders said the studio will continue to release HD DVD discs until May 31 to honor its previous commitment to that format’s backers, then switch to Blu-ray only on the high-def front. Last summer, Blockbuster similarly phased out HD DVD discs from rental rotation.
Sanders said the studio will continue to release HD DVD discs until May 31 to honor its previous commitment to that format's backers, then switch to Blu-ray only on the high-def front. Blockbuster similarly phased out HD DVD discs at its rental stores.
Studios and manufacturers have been fighting a pitched battle over high-def because there is so much at stake: Sales of standard DVD has started to decline and digital downloads are even smaller than high-def at this point. DVD sales generate around $16 billion annually for the studios, with rental biz contributing another $8 billion or so to the annual domestic homevid spending.
Warner's decision to back Blu-ray exclusively reps its third shift in high-def strategy. Initially, the studio said it would back HD DVD, then shifted toward dual format support in October 2005, several months before the first high-def discs hit shelves (Daily Variety, Oct. 20, 2005). Paramount made similar moves before settling on HD DVD late this summer (Daily Variety, Aug. 21). That commitment is believed to run through this year.
Warner's shift toward Blu-ray is expected to hasten the demise of HD DVD. Victory would give Sony a long awaited triumph after Betamax lost the videocassette war to VHS. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | http://www.contentagenda.com/blog/1500000150/post/190019619.htmlQuote: Warner gets the blu's - January 4, 2008 Paul Sweeting, Editor ContentAgenda
Media Wonk attended an industry dinner in Hollywood in early December where he ran into Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group president Kevin Tsujihara and home video president Ron Sanders. Although always nice to see Kevin and Ron, Media Wonk was somewhat taken aback by their apparent alarm at the state of the business. Now we know why.
"Not only did neither [high-def DVD] format really take off as expected in fourth quarter, but standard-def was softer than expected given the release slate," Sanders said Friday, shortly after the studio announced that it will drop is support of the HD DVD format and release its high-def titles exclusively on Blu-ray starting in June. "We’re seeing research now that shows that consumers are starting to delay purchases because of the format war, not just on high-def but standard-def purchases as well. That’s very alarming.”
As part of its ongoing tracking research, Warner has been asking consumers for months whether the format war has had any effect on the regular DVD purchase habits.
"They're waiting for something to happen," Sanders said. "They're waiting for the whole situation to become clear so they know what to buy. If you look at the historical conversion ratios of box office into DVD sales, several titles this fourth quarter underperformed where they should have been."
Whether Warner's move will clarify the situation any is an open question. Between now and the end of May, Warner will issue new releases simultaneously on standard-def and Blu-ray, followed by a release on HD DVD "after a short window."
According to Sanders, however, Warner's decision was driven by consumer behavior, more than an expectation of resolving the format war.
"It’s hard for us to speculate about impact this will have on the format war. All we can do really is make the best decision for our business and the rest of it will really take care of itself, in time," he said. "One of the things you see in the NPD data for this fourth quarter was that even with a $100 [price] premium, Blu-ray set tops outsold HD set tops in December. Even with Toshiba having the lowest-cost player in the market, software sales remained 2 to 1 in favor of Blu-ray."
The studio certainly wouldn't mind if it did help resolve the format war, however.
"Warner Bros.’ move to exclusively release in the Blu-ray disc format is a strategic decision focused on the long term and the most direct way to give consumers what they want," studio chairman/CEO Barry Meyer said in a statement. "The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger."
And finally, because someone is bound to ask, Sanders insisted that no financial inducements were involved in Warner's decision, despite the fairly constant buzz of rumors that Warner was being actively courted by both sides.
"There is absolutely no incentive from either side that would have changed the decision we made based on what we were seeing in the consumer data," he said. "The worldwide DVD business is about $40 billion. Any incentives we might have been offered would have paled next to the lost profits from that business if we get this one wrong.”
Not quite Sherman-esque, but he's unquestionably correct that the long-term risk is greater than the short-term gain. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
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