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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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If the credit block title happens to be the same as the film title, I have no problem with that.
What I was getting at is, we are after the title from the cover and the title in the credit block doesn't always match, so I don't use that as my measuring stick...unless told to in the rules. Your mileage, of course, will vary.
When it comes to possessives, we are told to check if the possessive is part of the title in the credit block. So if the credit block is good enough then, why wouldn't it be good enough to determine if "In 3D" is part of the title? The answer is in the post you quoted. While you may not agree, that is how I do it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting GSyren:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting Flåklypa:
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If the credit block title happens to be the same as the film title, I have no problem with that.
What I was getting at is, we are after the title from the cover and the title in the credit block doesn't always match, so I don't use that as my measuring stick...unless told to in the rules. Your mileage, of course, will vary.
When it comes to possessives, we are told to check if the possessive is part of the title in the credit block. So if the credit block is good enough then, why wouldn't it be good enough to determine if "In 3D" is part of the title?
The answer is in the post you quoted. While you may not agree, that is how I do it. I think you misunderstood my question. I wasn't asking why it isn't good enough for you. What I meant was, if Ken wanted us to determine if a possesive is part of the title by checking the credit block rather than the spine, why would you think that the reverse applies here? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
I think you misunderstood my question. I wasn't asking why it isn't good enough for you. What I meant was, if Ken wanted us to determine if a possesive is part of the title by checking the credit block rather than the spine, why would you think that the reverse applies here? I didn't say the reverse applies here, I simply said that I don't use the credit block except when the rules tell me to...possessives and symbols. Since 'in 3D' is neither a possessives nor a symbol, I don't look at the credit block. I am not sure why you want to argue about this as I didn't say you couldn't use the credit block if you wanted to, only that I didn't, for the reasons I already gave. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I simply said that I don't use the credit block except when the rules tell me to...possessives and symbols. ... and shared letters...  | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I simply said that I don't use the credit block except when the rules tell me to...possessives and symbols.
... and shared letters... I don't believe the rules tell me to look there for shared letters...which is why I used the spine. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I don't believe the rules tell me to look there for shared letters...which is why I used the spine. Oh yes, rules ask to use the spine... I forgot that... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I don't believe the rules tell me to look there for shared letters...which is why I used the spine.
Oh yes, rules ask to use the spine... I forgot that... Ken used the exact same method as I did but, for whatever reason, you just have to keep making sarcastic remarks. I wonder if this might be why some users consider you to be a troll?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Ken used the exact same method as I did but,... You just proved that there is no way to enter correctly a title with shared letter, for a user following present rules without bending them, which you refused to admit in the other thread. I'm sorry, but you were not allowed to do "as Ken" before his clarification. Then Ken decided to introduce a "clarification", allowing looking elsewhere than cover if "problems", thing that contributors who read VirusPil's thread can use in the future. BTW, I do not see which other clarification Ken could have given. As for this Spider-Man thread, the discussion is also provoked by the fact that the rule about titles tells us where to take it, but not what type of data we want (= what is a DVD title ?). Rules would be much more useful giving a definition of data we want in the database instead of the place where we should copy blindly letters or numbers (or symbols) that can lead to nonsense. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken made his clarification, though I didn't need it, so the issue is resolved for me. If you want to keep arguing about it, go find someone else as I am not playing this game with you. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is a fundamental difference between the Nuns title and this one.
In the case of the Nuns, Ken pointed out that there were basically three different ways to interpret the title on the cover, but the title on the spine eliminated two of these, so there was only one possible title.
In this case the spine doesn't exclude any possibility, since it contains the same information as the front cover. And since there are legitimate questions about the title, it makes sense to use the same approach as when looking at possessives. After all, possessives are something that possibly belongs at the start of the title, and "In 3D" is something that possibly belongs at the end of the title. They are very similar problems, so why should they not be solved in the same way?
True, the rules actually tell us how to handle possessives, but not how to handle "In 3D", but if one wants to guess how Ken would have ruled, it makes sense to think that he would have chosen the same approach. And since I, at least, try to interpret the rules the way I find most likely that Ken would prefer (as long as he makes no other statement), using the credit block makes the most sense to me.
Just my two cents. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar | | | | Last edited: by GSyren |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I want to know the title for the movie inside that keepcase, I check the credit block on the back.
If I want to know the title of that keepcase that just happens to have a movie DVD inside it. I go by the spline instead of the front cover that may have some yahoos artistic vision that can confuse the s*&% out of people.
example Front cover and spline.
MIB
MEN IN BLACK
credit block: MEN IN BLACK
Why isn't MIB included in the title of the package.
front cover
DEEP
STAR
SIX
spline
DEEPSTAR SIX
credit block: DEEPSTAR SIX |
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