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Quoting Ken Cole:

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We believe a hard and fast rule is necessary to reduce ping-ponging.  In practice, the number of films that are near enough to the 10% mark to warrant a stopwatch is very small.

In "Casino Royale", the opening sequence is in black and white and lasts 4 minutes, which is 3% of running time. This sequence shows how James Bond earned his licence to kill and can be considered as a major point of the saga.

For me, Casino Royale (as many other movies as "Dead Again", "OSS 117, Le Caire nid d'espion", "Schindler's List", "Q"...) should be marked as mixed. I disagree with a 10% rule, shall not use it for my local, and regret that contribution options always choose the worst solution.

I contributed Kill Bill Vol. 1 as Mixed. I made my case, saying that it was a deliberate choice by the director to make a whole, long running scene in B/W. I got 17 yes, no no and it got approved.


I've said it before: Sometimes the owners of the DVD in question have to decide what they want in their profile.

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I agree with you that it should be mixed but still, it is a 3min (is that long?) scene out of 107min. So not even close to 10%. Like I've said earlier this rule needs adjusting.

[Devil's advocate] The whole end credits is also B/W, is it not? [/Devil's advocate]

What I mean is: Do we include the end credits that run endlessly in modern films when we try to determine if B/W scenes reach the 10% mark of the actual movie?

Ken Burn's Baseball documentary would be mixed for the most part. But someone would have to go through some of the middle "innings" to see if there is much B&W in them. The early innings are easy for mixed, the later ones should probably just be color, but the middle, we should check how much B&W to see what it qualifies for.

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Quoting rando_commando:

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Ken Burn's Baseball documentary would be mixed for the most part. But someone would have to go through some of the middle "innings" to see if there is much B&W in them. The early innings are easy for mixed, the later ones should probably just be color, but the middle, we should check how much B&W to see what it qualifies for.

Already done (had an urge to watch them anyway) and submitted. 

Thanks tweeter!

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Is Ken Burns: The Civil War mixed or multiple?

Mixed. B&W plus color interviews

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OK, I hate the "mixed" designator.  If a film has any color, it should be designated as color.

But we have movies such as Hitchcock's "Spellbound", which is completely b&w with the exception of its final couple of frames which are in red    I don't think people would like to see that film as "colorised" (and even less as "colour"), just for that small fraction of a second. With the 10%-rule, of course, it isn't even mixed.

IMO "Mixed" is necessary, because the amount of colour/colorisation/b&w varies so much between films. For some movies the 10% -rule might not be the most appropriate, but I bet there would be similar problems with whatever number of minutes or percentage was decided to be the line.

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Quoting Draxen:

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... but I bet there would be similar problems with whatever number of minutes or percentage was decided to be the line.

Why speak of minutes or percentage ? I should prefer something like "if a whole coherent sequence is in color for a mainly B&W movie, or in B&W for a mainly color movie, "Mixed" is appropriate".

Sure, why not. As long as we have a clear definition for contributors. It's just that knowing us, the community, one contributors "coherent sequence" is another ones anything but.  The rule based on percentage is perhaps too rigid, but at least it shouldn't cause ping ponging and we can always change the setting in our local database.

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(I would call my TV a "Color-TV" even if it displays more than 10% black & white material. Not a "Mixed-TV"    )

But we are not profiling the capabilities of your TV but the content of the disc(s), which can be Mixed.  If you want all your profiles to reflect what your TV can do you are welcome to change them locally