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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | As regards running time I can see both sides.
Using track time is simple and requires no interpretation. Most, if not all, players can display the encoded track time. This gives us data that cannot be disputed. If all you need from that information is to give you a good approximation of how long you have to spend watching the film, then this is excellent information.
However, if what you want is the actual running time of the feature itself, then this may not be enough. Video Watchdog magazine reports the running time of the films they review to the second, excluding media company logos, up to the end of the film (which is normally the end of the end credits). We can't be that exact, but I'm sure we could measure the actual running time correctly by the minute if we wanted to.
For my personal use, track time is quite sufficient. But as the rules don't make it clear which to use, I wanted to hear if there was any consensus on the issue.
As regards this specific film, I think that Skip misinterpreted my post. There is absolutely no question in my mind as to where the film ends. The "seems" only means that as there is no picture I cannot be 100% sure of the source for the audio. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | Registered: October 6, 2008 |  Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Ok Kathy, fair enough and what I expected and I think you are wring.
You are correct as it relates to the wachowski brothers. But not, in my view, relative to data, as presented by gunnar.
Rita jones
Jim Jones
Or
Rita & Jim Jones
Are both as credited from a data viewpoint, the only difference is form, presented as a couple.
Otoh the wachowski brothers presents a whole different can if worms and the as credited is vastly different from the individual credits. I agree with Skip: in a credit like "John & Jane Doe as Johnson Baby," or the quote orgininating this thread, the surname is to be understood as being distributed, as it were, to the two given names. Much as we would take a credit like "Film & Sound Editing by I. M. Busy" as being two credits for two different jobs: Film Editing and Sound Editing. The data is interpreted according to language rules before it can be committed to database format. This is not inventing data, but simply a function of reading it. A credit like "The Wahchowski Brothers" or "The Two Ronnies" is a different animal, since the full names are not presented. If many believe the Rules do not support the above, my opinion is that they should be amended to do so. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
I agree with Skip: in a credit like "John & Jane Doe as Johnson Baby," or the quote orgininating this thread, the surname is to be understood as being distributed, as it were, to the two given names. Much as we would take a credit like "Film & Sound Editing by I. M. Busy" as being two credits for two different jobs: Film Editing and Sound Editing. The data is interpreted according to language rules before it can be committed to database format. This is not inventing data, but simply a function of reading it. I am sorry, but the rule is quite clear..."list names exactly as they are in the credits." No matter your reasoning, entering Rita Jones and Jim Jones is not listing them exactly as they are in the credits. A credit of "Film & Sound Editing by I.M. Busy" isn't the same as we don't list the credit, only the names. If it were an open text field, and we were told to list the credit exactly as they are in the credits, then it would be and I would list it exactly that way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting CalebAndCo:
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I agree with Skip: in a credit like "John & Jane Doe as Johnson Baby," or the quote orgininating this thread, the surname is to be understood as being distributed, as it were, to the two given names. Much as we would take a credit like "Film & Sound Editing by I. M. Busy" as being two credits for two different jobs: Film Editing and Sound Editing. The data is interpreted according to language rules before it can be committed to database format. This is not inventing data, but simply a function of reading it.
I am sorry, but the rule is quite clear..."list names exactly as they are in the credits." No matter your reasoning, entering Rita Jones and Jim Jones is not listing them exactly as they are in the credits.
A credit of "Film & Sound Editing by I.M. Busy" isn't the same as we don't list the credit, only the names. If it were an open text field, and we were told to list the credit exactly as they are in the credits, then it would be and I would list it exactly that way. That is why I typed my last sentence. "If many believe the Rules do not support the above, my opinion is that they should be amended to do so." My argument was not from what is permitted by the Rules, but from what I believe to be correct, and I think I made that perfectly clear. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
That is why I typed my last sentence.
"If many believe the Rules do not support the above, my opinion is that they should be amended to do so."
My argument was not from what is permitted by the Rules, but from what I believe to be correct, and I think I made that perfectly clear. I am sorry, but it was not clear to me as you said you agreed with Skip who beleives that his opinion is covered by the rules. Your last sentence didn't make it any clearer as you pointed to others, not yourself, believing that the rule did not support that stance. I will accept that you didn't mean it that way, but that is how I understood it.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting CalebAndCo:
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That is why I typed my last sentence.
"If many believe the Rules do not support the above, my opinion is that they should be amended to do so."
My argument was not from what is permitted by the Rules, but from what I believe to be correct, and I think I made that perfectly clear.
I am sorry, but it was not clear to me as you said you agreed with Skip who beleives that his opinion is covered by the rules. Your last sentence didn't make it any clearer as you pointed to others, not yourself, believing that the rule did not support that stance.
I will accept that you didn't mean it that way, but that is how I understood it. I was not as clear as I thought I had been; thank you for clarifying my lack of clarity.  My opinion is that the Rules do allow names to be handled the way I believe is correct, if one applies the language rule, distributing the surname, first to the data (as indeed it is when we process the credit mentally). But if this is too much to assume, the Rules should be amended to allow such thing. |
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