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Please don't.  I looked at your profile and you have a lot of Hong Kong movies with Chow Yun Fat before he came to Hollywood.  If you want to crosslink your Chow Yun Fat so that every movie he is in shows up , fine, but please leave his name as Yun-Fat Chow in his R0,R3 Hong Kong films.  Lookup tool is not the holy grail for these movies (that's why this thread is a sticky).

So you propose I should credit him "Yun-Fat Chow" in his Hong Kong movies and "Chow Yun-Fat" in his American-produced movies...? 

lol  This is getting nowhere! It's not like this is a new problem, it has been like this for years and years. I really hoped we had some common understanding on how to deal with asian cast/crew by now. Guess I was wrong. I know you have done a lot xradman to try to get some groundrules laid, and I appreciate your efforts. The thread containg your and Gerri Cole's proposal of using imdb as a source for the common name was locked in March 2007, and nothing has really been concluded since then. We should seriously consider a new poll/vote on how to deal with aisan names or get a confirmation from the Cole's wether Lastname equals surename or not. I have a dream... a dream that 2008 shall be the year when the DVD Profiler community finally agrees on how to deal with Asian names in the DVD Profiler database. 

No, that is not correct.  I have him credited as Yun-Fat Chow in everything.  I sincerely believe this is correct and right way to do it.  However, there are many in the community who just as strongly feel that he should be credited as Chow Yun Fat.  Since the global database belongs to the community, until their is an official ruling on this issue, we should keep the current status quo (and keep our preferred names local to enable cross linking).

Could we keep this thread on-topic please.

I too would be interested in a solution, but until then the best way to ensure the linking works over the whole database is to use the lookup tool. And make any other choices locally.

Sorry, there will be no conclusion or conclusive rules until Ken (or Gerry) states one way or another.

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btw. what romanization-standard do we use?

I mean:

we know him as Chow Yun-Fat. But based on what translation-standard?
Because it's:
Zhou Rùnfa in Pinyin (Mandarin) 
and
Jau1 Yeon6faat3 in Jyutping (Cantonese)

This begins to sound like less of an Online issue and more of a personal (local) one.

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I have him credited as Yun-Fat Chow in everything.  I sincerely believe this is correct and right way to do it.  However, there are many in the community who just as strongly feel that he should be credited as Chow Yun Fat.  Since the global database belongs to the community, until their is an official ruling on this issue, we should keep the current status quo (and keep our preferred names local to enable cross linking).

In my humble opinion, he must be credited as Yun-Fat Chow.  Chow is his last name, crediting him any other way reverses the fields for his profile.  His wife is named "Jasmine Chow" and I don't think anyone would have any problems crediting her name if she were an actress.  If you look at some of the profiles for the movies he has appeared in, you can see that his name is incorrectly reversed.  For instance, "Pirate of the Caribbean - At World's End", he is credited as "Chow Yun-Fat".  When you click on his name, it comes up as "First name : Chow, Last name : Yun-Fat".  That is simply incorrect.

Therefore the only way to credit him (IMHO) is as Yun-Fat Chow.

R.

I was just thinking yesterday that we haven't had an Asian name discussion in few months...

Hi,

For what it's worth, I think that any foreign cast/crew members should be listed simply with their firstname as their firstname, and the family or surname as their family or surname, irrespective of how we in the Western world may know or refer to them as, versus people in the Eastern countries mentioned.

Thus, if Chow Yun-Fat's name consists of "Chow" being the surname, and "Yun-Fat" being the forename, then that is how it should be listed in ALL databases, with links to any other alternate names he is known/listed by. Ditto with people like Jet Li, Bruce Lee, etc.

Hayao Miyazaki, the Studio Ghibli animator, should be listed with Miyazaki being the surname/family name, and Hayao being his firstname. Whether it's written or listed as Miyazaki Hayao, or vice versa should then become irrelevant.

You also then, if you really want to get picky, have some French actors who are known differently in their native country, to the rest of the world. A good example, is Christophe Lambert, (phonetically = Kris-toff Lamb-bare) who we all know as Christopher Lambert (phonetically = Kris-tu-pha Lam-but). Do you list all of his works under the first (birth) name, or the Westernised alternate name? 


Pooch

I can't see any reason for pinning this thread too. It is informational but not relevant to our db.

AFAIK there are no exceptions for Asian characers except the one described in the rules for non existing credits:

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If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source, as long as the inclusion does not violate the site's published policy (if any).

... which can be used for non latin credits...

If nobody insists in keeping this thread pinned, I'll ask the support to remove the pin early next year...