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Two Actors -- one name
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJason Fliegel
Registered: March 21, 2007
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Those of you who listened to NPR's "This American Life" this weekend heard the story of Richard C. Castellano, an actor who had a small part in Analyze This, the 1999 Robert DeNiro/Billy Crystal comedy.  In that film, Mr. Castellano is credited simply as Richard Castellano.

Those of you who watched the AFI's 100 Greatest Films of All Time special earlier this week saw that the second greatest film of all time is The Godfather, Francis Ford Copolla's epic mafia movie, starring Marlon Brando, Al Pacino, James Caan, Robert Duvall, and, in the role of Clemenza, Richard S. Castellano, credited simply as Richard Castellano.

You see where this is going, don't you?

What's the proper way to edit the profiles of the two actors so that DVD Profiler knows that Richard S. Castellano and Richard C. Castellano are two different men, even though they were both credited simply as "Richard Castellano"?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKevin
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Enter the Birth Year controversy.

Each actor should have (documented, of course) their birth year set in the program. That way they will be separate.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantVega
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Of course the other argument would be to enter them using the common names "Richard C. Castellano" and "Richard S. Castellano" and then use the "Credited As" field for the on screen credits.  Problem solved and no use of Birth Years.    Well, maybe.

This just goes back to the whole common name situation we're waiting for that Ken is currently furiously working to resolve (now that he's back from vacation  ).  There's nothing in the rules stopping you from trying to resolve this now, so have at it if you wish, but honestly it might be better to just make a note to yourself so you don't forget and wait to see what Ken comes up with.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJason Fliegel
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Thanks -- I saw references to a "Credited As" field on this board, but couldn't find it in the actual software.  My only other attempt at profile editing -- trying to get "C.J. Ramone" from the documentary End of the Century to match up with "C. J. Ramone" fromThe Simpsons: The Complete Fifth Season -- ended in a similar failure.

Anyway, if a fix for situations like this is in the works, I'm happy to wait and deal with it when the fix is rolled out.
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantaaronwt
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I thought an actors name isn't allowed to be duplicated in the Actors guild. Thats why many have to use initials to differentiate themselves from other actors with the same name.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantVega
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Quoting aaronwt:
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I thought an actors name isn't allowed to be duplicated in the Actors guild. Thats why many have to use initials to differentiate themselves from other actors with the same name.


True, but not everyone is a member of SAG.  They've only been around since the 1930's so anything before that is up in the air and even after that, they have requirements an actor has to meet before becoming a member.  Plus, as far as I know, SAG is strictly an American union and therefore foreign actors do not fall under it so that can cause duplicates as well.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Jason:

Once Ken has worked it out then common name will work. I think for the time being, IF you feel it is that important and I won't judge that one way or the other, that is your call, then I would use the BY to separate the two actors as that can be documented (I hope  ) and we don't have to get into a judgement call and just what the Common name should be.

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This is a perfect example of why simply using the "most common 'as credited' occurrence" of an actor's name in the Invelos main database, isn't going to work in every case.

These are two different folks credited in their respective films using the same name.  However, it is apparently easily documented that one uses a middle initial of "S." and the other a middle initial of "C.".

If we use the middle initial, it makes the use of Birth Year unnecessary.  Using Birth Year should be avoided as much as possible, especially since it has become apparent that it is not something that will always be documentable (is that a word?).

The other reason for not using just the most "common 'as credited' occurrence" of an actor's name in the Invelos main database, is that the most "common 'as credited' occurrence" can and often will change over time meaning the database will be changing all the time (actresses marrying, remarrying, new actors changing the way they are credited, etc.). 

IMHO, we need a method that combines the "most common 'as credited' occurrence" in the Invelos main database with some standard Rules which would include using the most complete version of the actor's name.  The more complete the name, the more likely it is to be "unique".  Other standard Rules would address use of diacritics, punctuation, etc.

All I can do is hope that Ken is considering all of the possibilities.  Hopefully, we will find out soon! 
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I agree, Hal, and I have my fingers and toes crossed, and patiently waiting.

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I've got a similar problem as the OP -- two actors with the same name but two totally different people. Is there any way to edit an actors name in the DB so I can differentiate between the Gregory White who starred in Buffy and the Gregory White who starred in Resident Evil?
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In your situation LoboUK, as they both use the same name, I would track down a birth year for one or both of them and add it to their information. This will allow the program to differentiate the two.
Just remember to quote a number of sources if you conrtibute the changes to the online database.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRandall_Lind
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I had the same issue with Harrison Ford and had to delete the one form 1884 he died in 1954. I highly doubt I will be buying any of his movies so doesn't matter.

I had to edit all my movies with Harrsion Ford to the correct one which is 1942 one.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantLoboUK
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Thanks northbloke -- that worked perfectly. IMDb reported that one of them was, in fact, called Gregory Paul White so I was able to change it that way.
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