Well you use IMDB as a springboard and see if other sites verify the same info.

Quoting CubbyUps:

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Well you use IMDB as a springboard and see if other sites verify the same info.

That is, of course, totally up to you. but if you can't document a non 3rd party database source for that info then it just can't be updated in DVDP until it is.

Quoting hal9g:

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The Rule says: "Please don't submit content from a third party database"

Every time I have seen Ken reinforce this he has said not to copy data from a third party source, or data that is identical to IMDb can be removed.

At no time has he ever said that IMDb cannot be used as a reference (among others) for a data that is not available on the DVD.  It should never be the sole reference, but a directive to exclude IMDb or any other source as a reference has never been made to my knowledge.

Perhaps you missed Ken's post in another thread.

Quoting Ken Cole:

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This is not a wink wink, nudge nudge "rule".  We do not want IMDB data, or data from any third party database, entered into DVD Profiler. The reason for this is that they have invested much time and money (as we have) into generating and maintaining their database.  Copying their database is theft.  If that weren't enough reason, third party databases routinely spike their data with "poison" data - false data designed to identify and prove cases of theft.

The requirement for naming the source is not designed to allow Invelos plausible deniability.  If the submitted data came from the IMDB or another source, we need to know that so we may properly decline the submission.  Falsely stating the source of data in an attempt to bypass this will result in an immediate and permanent ban from contributing

Really???


Quoting hal9g:

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The Rule says: "Please don't submit content from a third party database"

Every time I have seen Ken reinforce this he has said not to copy data from a third party source, or data that is identical to IMDb can be removed.

At no time has he ever said that IMDb cannot be used as a reference (among others) for a data that is not available on the DVD.  It should never be the sole reference, but a directive to exclude IMDb or any other source as a reference has never been made to my knowledge.

What part of Ken's post makes your statement true? I see a direct conflict.

For instance, the following fileds cannot be populated based on the DVD:

SRP
Release Date
Rolenames (in some cases)
Original Title (in some cases)
CoO

If I did research at IMDb, DVDPlanet and DeepDiscount and found all three in agreement, then all three should be cited as references for that data.

I am not copying data from any 3rd party database.  I do not believe that Ken is referring to this type of reference when he prohibits "copying data from a 3rd party database".

If he is, then these fields might as well be removed from the Invelos database, as there is often no other place to find this information other than in 3rd party databases (which all of the above are).

Besides updating the contribution rules, it might also help to link to them in a more exposed location.
E.g. as a permanent link in the top bar of the site, and maybe even directly in DVDP, e.g. in the Contribute DVD Profile dialog...

Quoting Dan W:

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If you take a piece of information from IMDB or any other third party entity, whether you lifted it using software or simply typed it yourself, you are copying their data. You could even reword what was on their site and it and it would still be the same.

Evidently, Ken needs to spell it out further since you and I are at complete disagreement on this issue.

Please explain how you intend to enter a release date into DVDP without referencing a 3rd party database. Or an SRP?  And how exactly is that "their data"?

If you can get Ken to clarify this, that would be a good thing.

Quoting Dan W:

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You could even reword what was on their site and it would still be the same.

Rewording is definitely not copying.