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I think that verifying current data would be more useful (for example, multiple entries for same actor, but different spelling: e.a Nicole de Boer, making it impossible to cross-reference...). Current actor DB is a complete mess IMHO...

The DB would not be such a mess if users had been following the rules all along by taking the names from the film credits.  But, we instead had contributors doing what they wanted and others following the rules.  Thus the mess... Everyone contributing to the online DB needs to be working off the same set of rules.  I'm not judging you on  your decision not to contribute, that's your decision to make.

Quoting surfeur51:

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And for people who think I'm complaining, it's true, but not because I do not contribute anymore. I'm complaining because when I look for a new title, I do not find it in the database. And then I make the job, and keep it for myself, so the next one will also not find it in the database.

All was correct before the month of june. I think people were happy with my 400 contributions (new titles only, and quite none have been recontributed), and I was happy with others' contributions.

Why all that off putting system that is killing contributions ??

Sorry I haven't seen a decrease in the number of contributions since the IVS days.  And not finding a new title in the DB, what's new that was an issue with new releases in the past with the IVS database.  Personally I thought it was worse then becuase a new release then might take more than a week to go through the system to be approved and released.  Ken and Gerri have been approving contributions at a much fast rate than they were before.

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No, the problem is that you people that couldn't follow the rules can't contribute whatever you feel like anymore.  Awwwwwww!  Ain't that just tooooo bad.

Did it never occur to you that maybe Invelos wouldn't have resorted to such measures if people had been doing things RIGHT to start with?  Nah, that would be too much to expect.

Rifter, that was unnecessary and unhelpful. It's these kinds of attack over nothing attitudes that are making the forums such an inhospitable place to be.

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Sorry I haven't seen a decrease in the number of contributions since the IVS days.  And not finding a new title in the DB, what's new that was an issue with new releases in the past with the IVS database.  Personally I thought it was worse then becuase a new release then might take more than a week to go through the system to be approved and released.  Ken and Gerri have been approving contributions at a much fast rate than they were before.

Hi,

I don't want to come again the pro and against the rules. I follow them even if I don't always agree with them. When I buy a new DVD doesn't exist in the IVS database I make its profile and contribute it. If I don't have time to do the credits, don't make them and contribute it for others and when I will have more time to do it I will if nobody did it before.

You don't see a decrease in the number of contributions because I think you have only R1 dvds as you live in USA and there are a lot of contributers for R1 but for France and Belgium R2, there are not a lot of contributers. We are some users like Surfeur, me... but if 4-5 stop to contribute and we won't have new releases of DVD for these both countries or almost.

Phil:

Personally, I never had a problem contributing to the database.
Just make sure you specify the source of the info you are entering (either the DVD or an internal source such as TomGaines's project), and you'll be fine.

No fuss about it, really.

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Quoting surfeur51:

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In fact, the problem is that now we have to recopy exactly what's on the cover or in the DVD, even if it is wrong.  When I was used to contribute, I tried to send accurate informations.

Now rules ask for accurate recopy of errors...

Most people who do not want to testify they have recopied errors are flying away from contributing.

If you are referring to the overview this is nothing new. It has been in the rules that way from the beginning.  Not sure how it would now chase people away, a couple of years after it was implemented.

I just had a discussion with Skip by PM on this subject. It was friendly, though we completely disagree. I said that if there is a spelling mistake on a role in the credits, we should correct it. I gave him an example were I saw "Le profeseur" (teaher), instead "Le professeur" (teacher). He thinks we must keep the mistake, I think not.

Rules are not made to defy common sense. If I agree to follow them at 99%, please let people  be intelligent...

I think that Ken or Gerri should say precisely that when in the rules it is written "exactly what is on overviews", or "exactly what is in the credit" means "exactly, of course when it is without obvious mistake"  .


And why it would chase people away now ?

Because, before June, I corrected the mistakes before contributing , and nobody asked me to testify that it came exactly from the cover or the cerdit. Now, I have to. So, I have the choise to send mistakes (I refuse that), to lie to Gerri (easy, I'm sure she  doesn't verify french, but I also refuse that), or stop contributing (easy, no harm for me, not so good for others)

I understand completely why we should not correct spelling errors in cast roles and overviews. And that's because it's a slippery slope, one says it has to be this and someone else says it has to be that. While some errors are maybe easy to correct, others are not that obvious. The database is worth more if it's an exact replica of the cover and disc contents. You can always correct mistakes and keep these corrections local. I do not understand why this should keep someone from contributing (partial) profiles.

If I were to correct all the spelling/grammatical mistakes that I see on overviews then I might as well rewrite them myself from scratch.

We contribute any mistakes to stop ping-ponging. Once the profile matches the dvd then people can do what the hell they want in their local.

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Really i don't see the interest to contribute a mistake ...

If you don't want to contribute a mistake, don't contribute that field.

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...knowing that everybody will have to correct it.

If the "mistake" is what is on the cover, no one will have to correct it.  IF the text of the overview is an exact copy of what is on the back cover of the DVD, simply leave it alone.

If you want to correct your local copy, that is totally up to you.  Just leave the online profile alone.

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Those rules are making people loose their common sense. Nobody would have in normal life the incredible attitude we see here because the RULES  are more important than anything else on Earth .

It's clear you don't want to follow the rules.  That is, of course, your right.  But don't trying to rationalize that you shouldn't have to follow the rules to contribute - because there are few people contributing French profiles.  If people want to have French profiles in the database they will have to follow the contribution rules.  Otherwise, maybe they should write their own software and host their own online database using their own bandwidth - not what belongs to Invelos.