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Trying to explain why I got upset when scans got declined ...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormwkirchner
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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A while back I went off the deep end for a bit because I was getting cover scans shot down because they were either a little too dark or maybe not up to par as far as focus was for some people.

The scans below show EDITED: what at one time was in my database. This is why I get so upset sometimes when scans get turned down for those reasons yet scans like the ones below got accepted.

For some reason the enclosed examples WERE good enough and mine were not 

Very confusing to me.








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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantFUBAR
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I don't understand.  The "Iris" image in the database isn't the one you show here for this UPC.  Where did you get this image from?

Also, is your complaint; that the community voted yes for these images which were worse than the original?  Or were these the originals who no one gets to vote on?

With reference to your particular image contributions:  I expect (don't know) that your images weren't as good, or at least not better than the originals.

The images you show here wouldn't get a yes vote from anyone who has been a member of DVD Profiler for any length of time.  Or at least I certainly would hope not.

Your examples have me perplexed.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormwkirchner
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I guess I should have been a little more clear on these. I made a mistake stating that these were the ones currently in my database. My bad.

I can not remember when I actually copied these from the database (it may have been in the older version a while back), but I kept copies of them and forgot I had them.

These are no longer in the online database. The ones in my database on my computer are up to date.

The point I was trying to make is that I have contributed scans that got picked apart (not ones of these particular DVDs) and they get rejected for one reason or another ... yet somehow ... somewhere ... these snuck through the cracks.

Maybe these were from a long time ago. I just wondered how something like these would get okayed and other ones do not. Maybe it is just that the standards have improved.

I am not saying that you would ever see something like this get accepted today.

I am not trying to start a complaint thread ... just showing examples of why I was so disappointed when some of mine got declined when ones like these ... at one time ... got accepted.

Hope this makes more sense ...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantVega
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Cover scans are highly subjective.  Just because they get a few No votes doesn't mean they'll be rejected.  I don't know if you let you cover scans stand or if you Withrew them, but I've had more then a few that had several No votes that still got accepted.

Things may have been more lax back then because I can't imagine any scans getting accepted now that had Blockbuster UPC stickers on the back.  People freak out currently if you have any kind of marketing sticker on the covers, so those must have snuck in.

The main thing to remember with cover scans is they must be better than whatever is currently there.  Sometimes with new releases the type of scans you showed may make it in if nothing else already exists because those are better than having nothing at all. The real nitpickling starts when you're trying to replace a cover that already exists.  People pick apart the coloring, the picture detail, the text readability, compression aritfacts visible, dust/scratches, etc.  It's pretty tough to replace something all ready in place unless you have a pretty high quality scan.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormwkirchner
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I totally understand what you are saying Vega.

I have since calmed down and even spoken with Skip to have him give me some pointers on scanning. He was actually a big help and my scans have gotten much nicer. I was doing them wrong and did not realize how much better they could look until I took Skip's advice and scanned them differently.

I have since contributed over 20 scan and all but maybe 4 got accepted.

My reason for this thread was to try to explain why I got so upset when I kept getting shot down. I had these scans and wondered why the ones I was contributing were getting picked apart and something like these did not (evidently).

I have since calmed down and do not take the criticism to heart like I was doing. I now take it as corrective criticism and try to improve on the scans as I can. I do not always get them right but I can say that my scans today are MUCH better then ones I was contributing a while back.

Just wanted to try to explain why I lost it there for a while.
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one thing to consider also with still quite a bit of data in the database, there was a time where there was no voting system... and actually no rules... there were guidelines... you'd be surprised to see how long it takes a new user to re-do a incomplete or incorrect profile for a non A-List title....
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Quoting mwkirchner:
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I now take it as corrective criticism and try to improve on the scans as I can. I do not always get them right but I can say that my scans today are MUCH better then ones I was contributing a while back.


This is the main point.  It is hard to step back and not take things personally.  I've only recently started to submit scans and a lot of the early ones had plenty of No votes.  Some of them I accepted as users having crappy and/or non-calibrated monitors but some where specific about what was wrong and taking a step back I was able to see they were right.  I took the advice they presented and resubmitted the scans and every single image scan was accepted at that point.  I might be in a unique position but I can view my images on both a color calibrated LCD screen (my main screen) and a completely un-calibrated default CRT screen (while at work.. because, well work sucks) and see the difference between them.

It's tough not to take No votes personal, but for the most part they're not (some may argue this point).  Look at the reasons why and step back and see if they're right.  You can always disagree and not do anything at all (or edit your Contribution to respond).  I've cursed several people in the past for their votes, but after taking a closer look I almost always figure out they're right.. and then I usually come around and actually thank them for improving upon the original image.
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