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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorninehours
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I know this has been discussed many time before but would like to get a fresh perspective on what people think of this and i know everyone loves a poll    .
If an actor is listed in a film as say Computer Voice or Voice of Computer should the voice checkbox also be ticked so it looks like this  Computer Voice (voice) or Voice of Computer (voice) or because the role indicates that it is voice only would the voice checkbox not be required in this instance.
At the moment the rule for using the voice checkbox say’s this
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For animated films or voice-only roles, use the "Voice" checkbox.
 
And the rule for entering cast roles say’s
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For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

So at the moment we have no choice it must be entered Computer Voice (voice) or Voice of Computer (voice) which to me looks a bit messy and inputs the same information twice.

Option 1, Computer Voice (voice) or Voice of Computer (voice), Leave it as it is have voice entered twice it’s a minor thing who cares.

Option 2, Computer Voice or Voice of Computer, If the role has voice in it don’t tick the checkbox its not required the role lets you know it voice only.

Option 3, Computer (voice), If the role has voice in it remove voice from the role and tick the voice checkbox.

Option 4, I don’t think any of the above are right and will tell you what is.
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Definitely option 2; It really makes no sense to me to add a suffix to a role if it already tells me it's voice-only.
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Definitely Option 1. The check box keeps track of the data, regardless of how the role is credited.

Let's say someone writes a nifty plug-in to search for Voice roles in profiles... where would it look for the data if the  check box is not ticked?
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Agreed, option 1 is how I view matches the rules with listing cast roles exactly how they show up in the end credits though I personally like option 3.
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The double "(voice)" is a result of the current rendering of the data  in DVD Profiler. Data should never be poluted to match how a specific view is currently programmed, as:

  • It prevents viewing the data in a meaningful way in other views

  • It prevents changes to the existing views

  • It prevents use of the data by anything but a human viewing the data (plugins and tools using the exported XML can not guess the "voice" tag)

  • There are multiple languages - it's a mistake to assume a profile is always viewed with the GUI in the same language as the credits of the movie.


  • I am sure there are more reasons, but I'm quite sure anyone experienced with data management would never consider anything but option 1 so I'll not spend time thinking of any.
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    Quoting EnryWiki:
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    Definitely Option 1. The check box keeps track of the data, regardless of how the role is credited.

    Let's say someone writes a nifty plug-in to search for Voice roles in profiles... where would it look for the data if the  check box is not ticked?

    Would option 3 also not cover this?
    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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    Quoting ninehours:
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    Would option 3 also not cover this?

    For searching, yes, but then the role won't match the end credits as per rules.

    I wouldn't mind the rules being amended to allow the removal of "Voice" in the role due to DVDP having the checkbox.
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    Option 1 in line with the current rules.  It's like that because a voice checkbox can be tracked and could allow plug-ins to access it or be used by filters and separates it from whatever the studios decide to name the role.  Admittedly it does look a little redundant for certain roles, but it does serve a purpose.

    -edit-
    Guess I was a bit late, but I also agree with the Doctor above regarding Option 3 since then the role would not be as credited.  It's 2 different pieces of information.  I wouldn't stomp my feet and throw a tantrum if the rules were amended to allow the removal of "Voice" from the roles if the checkbox is used, but I personally think it's bad idea.  It's much easier to just stick with the use the credits at the end as credited and leave it at that.
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    Not again 

    As Lars has already pointed out, the voice checkbox provides additional info. It is not redundant. It is used in XML export, plugins, HTML windows (HeaderVars).


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    Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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    I wouldn't mind the rules being amended to allow the removal of "Voice" in the role due to DVDP having the checkbox.

    Eh yes, but what about "Additional Voices"?

    The real solution for me would be a microphone icon, because I find it stupid to see an "Additional Voices (voice)" role on my computer screen.
    Martin Zuidervliet

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    Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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    Eh yes, but what about "Additional Voices"?

    It wouldn't be a hard rule and that would be an exception.

    But since it would require exceptions to be used, best to leave it as-is without alteration, modification, or adjustments.
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    Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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    The real solution for me would be a microphone icon, because I find it stupid to see an "Additional Voices (voice)" role on my computer screen.

    Yes, and this is why we need this info. With custom HTML windows this would already be possible. Only because the standard view of the Profiler chooses to attach "(voice)" instead of an icon or such does not make this information redundant.


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    Gets the deviant in me thinking.  If a microphone icon is added for voice-only roles, what kind of icon for uncredited roles?  A cap of a credit listing with a red circle/slash over it? 

    ETA: I like the microphone icon idea
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    Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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    Gets the deviant in me thinking.  If a microphone icon is added for voice-only roles, what kind of icon for uncredited roles?  A cap of a credit listing with a red circle/slash over it? 

    How about a smily with a red slashed circle?
    Martin Zuidervliet

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    Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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    Gets the deviant in me thinking.  If a microphone icon is added for voice-only roles, what kind of icon for uncredited roles?  A cap of a credit listing with a red circle/slash over it? 

    How about a smily with a red slashed circle?


    Or something like a phantom in a red slashed circle 
    -- Enry
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    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantlmoelleb
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    There are other options than using an icon for uncredited. For example rendering the name/role with a lower contrast compared to the background (the color specified in the system setting for disabled text for example).
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    Lars
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