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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
I think the rules should not be changed only for incomplete cast and crew lists, but there should be a complete section about incomplete contributions.
At least this should cover:
- ability of leaving complete fields blank
- ability of using short lists for cast and crew (as listed in opening credits or on the DVD cover)
- abitlity of listing technical features (Audio, Subtitles, Features, ...) from the DVD cover instead of the disk
- incremental episode listings of cast and crew
- missing child profiles for box sets
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- documentation of left content: If the contributor knows that (s)he contributes an incomplete profile, (s)he should prepare a list of open working areas (for others as well as for himself)...
Just my two cents...
AA I can't support taking info from the cover, except in the rare cases where the credit box on back might contain a crew member not in the film credits (I've seen it happen, on a title me and only one other person owned according to the votes). Boxes so often have incorrect info, they're about as reliable as imdb. Next someone will try using them for runtimes.  |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 524 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MtnMike: Quote:
Quoting EnryWiki:
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Quoting northbloke:
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I would have thought the addition of a sentence like: "Cast and crew lists need not be complete to be submitted." would solve the problem.
But the same applies to any other field, not just Cast and Crew.
Perhaps a more general statement would be useful, like: "Contributed fields need not be complete to be submitted."
Careful here....as you are suggesting wording it, I could just see someone down the line interpreting that so literally that you they could concievable enter just the first few words from, say the overview, and contribute THAT. (You KNOW it'll happen  ) So is there anything wrong with only contributing part of the overview - if there isn't one there to begin with? | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote:
So is there anything wrong with only contributing part of the overview - if there isn't one there to begin with? I think there is. It creates more work for everybody else. Prior to this new policy, I could tell...at a glance...which fields needed to be contributed. If the profile didn't include an overview, I knew I had to contribute one. If it didn't have a cast list or crew credits, I knew I had to contribute them. I didn't need to do anything more than download the profile and I knew. Under this new policy, I will have to look at the contribution notes for every profile I add to my collection. If I don't, I will not know whether or not the overview is complete. I will not know whether or not the cast list is complete. If I have to verify that each section of a profile is complete, why do I need an online db? I might as well just enter all the data myself. I understand that not everybody wants to do a full and complete audit. But, if you are going to contribute the cast list, why not contribute the entire thing? If you are going to contribute the overview, why not contribute the entire overview? If I have to go behind you and complete the job, what value has it given me? None as now, not only do I have to finish the job, but I have to make sure that your part is correct as well. As I said, I might as well just do the whole thing myself.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote:
So is there anything wrong with only contributing part of the overview - if there isn't one there to begin with? I don't think it is. As long as it improves the current profile I don't see anything wrong with adding a partial overview. (or partially correcting an overview as long as it doesn't introduce new errors). Regarding Unicus69 point that it creates more work for everybody else, I don't think that is true. If a person only wants a partial overview in his collection, he isn't going to add it all, contribute and remove it locally. He is going to change it locally to his liking without contributing at all, leaving an empty overview. No more work for anybody. | | | 
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with Unicus on this one. In my eyes if you can just submit one small part of any field no matter how big or small the field is.. you have to double check everything... and it makes both voting and knowing what to contribute much more difficult. I personally do not like this new policy at all. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gerri:
I have to say that I have mixed emotions on this. Part of me has no problem with it. But when I submit something, I try to do it COMPLETE, pick your checkbox. The reason I do this is because I recognize that a PARTIAL Contribution solves NOTHING, it leaves work undone that has to be done by SOMEBODY else. So if you are going to Contribute Overview, I make it Complete not partial. Same is true with ANY other data field.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 524 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just to clarify, accepting partial contributions is not a new policy. As a screener, I would have accepted a partial contribution. There is nothing in the rules that state that a partial contribution is not allowed.
So the reality of it is that it should be no more work than it is today.
-Gerri | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
But when I submit something, I try to do it COMPLETE, pick your checkbox. The reason I do this is because I recognize that a PARTIAL Contribution solves NOTHING, it leaves work undone that has to be done by SOMEBODY else. So if you are going to Contribute Overview, I make it Complete not partial. Same is true with ANY other data field.
That's how I do it to, but I don't think we should demand that of all contributors. If a previous contributor has entered half an overview correct (or half the cast list) actually means less work for me. I don't have to enter it all, I just start where the last contributor finished. I check all the fields anyway | | |
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote:
Just to clarify, accepting partial contributions is not a new policy. As a screener, I would have accepted a partial contribution. There is nothing in the rules that state that a partial contribution is not allowed.
So the reality of it is that it should be no more work than it is today.
-Gerri I am willing to bet that few, if any, users knew that was a possibility. I have been a user for a very long time and, until you mentioned it, didn't know it was. I can honestly say that I have never seen someone try and submit a partial overview or a partial cast list. I would remember because I would have voted 'no'. So, while you would have accepted it, it hasn't been an issue...until now. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote:
That's how I do it to, but I don't think we should demand that of all contributors. If a previous contributor has entered half an overview correct (or half the cast list) actually means less work for me. I don't have to enter it all, I just start where the last contributor finished. I check all the fields anyway Maybe I am not understanding you, but I couldn't "just start where the last contributor finished." I would have to start at the beginning of the cast list and verify that what was entered was correct. If I have to do that, I might as well just start from scratch. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Although I'm happy to look at and even submit partial contributions, I'm surprised that you include overviews in this. The rules say the overview must match the back cover exactly, if it's a paragraph short it doesn't match exactly any more does it?
I do agree however, that cast & crew lists are a lot more work and so much more likely to be partially completed, and am much happier to accept partial cast & crew than a partial overview.
Edit: I've always approached it in terms of data fields. The overview is one field, and must be filled in correctly and completely. However, cast & crew are a whole list of fields and as long as each field is correct and complete the list itself does not need to be. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Maybe I am not understanding you, but I couldn't "just start where the last contributor finished." I would have to start at the beginning of the cast list and verify that what was entered was correct. If I have to do that, I might as well just start from scratch. But if everything above a certain point is correct, you don't have to manually enter everything. Yes, you still have to verify it, but you don't have to type it in. That was the point I was trying to make. EDIT: I also have to agree with northblokes definition of fields  | | |
The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 524 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think my point about it not being a new policy is being misunderstood. I have accepted partial contributions in the past. Therefore even today, you can't look at a profile and assume if it has at least one actor the cast list is complete or there is something in the overview so it must be complete. Therefore adding it to the rules isn't going to automatically increase the amount of work that you have to put into doing a profile, it is the same work that has to be put it in today.
I would also say that I don't think adding some of the overview is a good idea (personally), but I also don't want the rules on this to become too cumbersome. I have a very different poiint of view on the topic being the screener, so I am looking for honest opinions from the contributors' side.
-Gerri | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Edit: I've always approached it in terms of data fields. The overview is one field, and must be filled in correctly and completely. However, cast & crew are a whole list of fields and as long as each field is correct and complete the list itself does not need to be. And what if someone decides that they want to include only, say, every other person in the cast list? I am not saying it will happen, but it could and it would be allowed per this policy. You have focused on 'fields', I have always focused on 'sections'. If you are going to submit the sound section, complete it. If you are going to submit the cast section, complete it. I don't understand this desire to allow people to do an incomplete job. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | From a contribution point of view I find the cast & crew section the most daunting mostly because of the amount of work needed to complete it. I don't feel like that for any other section - I either fill it or ignore it.
Knowing that they don't need to add all the cast and crew will take a lot of pressure off contributors who find it as daunting as me, however I don't see any need to emphasise this for any other area as they are comparitively much easier and quicker to fill in. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gerri Cole: Quote:
I think my point about it not being a new policy is being misunderstood. I have accepted partial contributions in the past. Therefore even today, you can't look at a profile and assume if it has at least one actor the cast list is complete or there is something in the overview so it must be complete. Therefore adding it to the rules isn't going to automatically increase the amount of work that you have to put into doing a profile, it is the same work that has to be put it in today. As I said, this is all news to me. I guess I have been working based on a bad assumption.  Quote:
I would also say that I don't think adding some of the overview is a good idea (personally), but I also don't want the rules on this to become too cumbersome. I have a very different poiint of view on the topic being the screener, so I am looking for honest opinions from the contributors' side.
-Gerri And I appreciate it. Maybe it is just me, but when I do a job I do a complete job. I do not understand the concept of doing half a job and leaving the rest for someone else and I do not understand a policy that allows for that. But, again, maybe it is just me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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