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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | So we finally got to meet Jakob, and it seems that Jakob has been quite interested in our castaways for a good portion of their lives. He is clearly very old and he and his partner may be the original inhabitants of the island. Jakob's partner (I forget his name) doesn't seem to like Jakob at all and even stated that he would kill him if he could. I read that someone compared them to the Christian God & Satan. But somehow, he manages to very convincingly impersonate Locke and talk Ben into killing Jakob.
This introduced an interesting twist because the Black Smoke threatened Ben to do everything Locke told him to do or it would kill him. So we know the Black Smoke isn't Jakob.
However, my theory is that there are two (2) smoke creatures on the island - one black and one white. Locke once described as gazing upon the smoke creature and saw it as white smoke. So I suspect that the white smoke creature is really Jakob and the other guy is the black smoke creature (whom we already saw has no qualms against killing people). If you recall, Locke wasn't visible when the Black Smoke Creature threatened Ben and we know it can impersonate anyone.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
So we finally got to meet Jakob, and it seems that Jakob has been quite interested in our castaways for a good portion of their lives. He is clearly very old and he and his partner may be the original inhabitants of the island. Jakob's partner (I forget his name) doesn't seem to like Jakob at all and even stated that he would kill him if he could. I read that someone compared them to the Christian God & Satan. But somehow, he manages to very convincingly impersonate Loke and talk Ben into killing Jakob.
This introduced an interesting twist because the Black Smoke threatened Ben to do everything Loke told him to do or it would kill him. So we know the Black Smoke isn't Jakob.
However, my theory is that there are two (2) smoke creatures on the island - one black and one white. Loke once described as gazing upon the smoke creature and saw it as white smoke. So I suspect that the white smoke creature is really Jakob and the other guy is the black smoke creature (whom we already saw has no qualms against killing people). If you recall, Loke wasn't visible when the Black Smoke Creature threatened Ben and we know it can impersonate anyone.
What are your Lost theories? I'm Lost!!!!  Couldn't resist. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 563 |
| | Posted: | | | | Interesting theory about the smoke monster. I am thinking the Mile's last-minute question is interesting in that by detonating the bomb they're actually creating the "event" they're trying to prevent. If true, and it would back up Faraday's original position on time travel (before he reversed it and decided to set off the bomb), then they have only themselves to blame for crashing their plane. I am giving myself a small pat on the back regarding the Locke in the box...when the group of Ajira passengers showed Lapidus what was inside the crate they were carrying, after seeing his reaction, I said it was Locke.  | | | | My phpDVDprofiler collection |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | On a personal level, I think the whole "can't change what happened" time travel thing stinks. It means that everything is already written in stone, both in the past and future, and our Will and choices really are not choices at all.
That is, assuming that there is no point in time in which there is no time after it - aka: the Present. You can jump back-n-forward in time all you want but you can't proceed past this X point because that is where the past is being written. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
On a personal level, I think the whole "can't change what happened" time travel thing stinks. It means that everything is already written in stone, both in the past and future, and our Will and choices really are not choices at all. One could see it that way. Or one could say that every decicison can only be made once - and only when you look from the future or from outside the timeline you see beforehand what the decision will be. But it doesn't take away the one time you get to make that choice. I think the last few LOST episodes proved that point very well. All of these guys constantly changed their opinion but in the end their final decision was most likely the one that lead to exactly the future in where they will crash. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | But with the group living in the past, every choice they made to try to change the future (and their past) only made what happened in the future come to pass. To them, even though they were living in their own past, it was still their present.
Ahh, the quickest way to a headache is to think about time travel. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Everything they experienced in 2004-2007 was caused by the actions they have done in 1977. They just didn't know it yet.
That's why it looks so inevitable. But it wasn't. If Juliet wouldn't have stoned the nuke that future would look different. They might have never crashed there.
It's a time-loop. It has always and will always happen that way. If she hadn't stoned it they wouldn't have crashed, never travelled back in time and never came into the position to nuke the island. But they did cause their own crash which then lead to the time-travel, which lead to the nuke, which lead to their crash.
It's like Terminator 1. If John hadn't send back Kyle, he wouldn't have been born and then he couldn't send Kyle back. But Kyle was sent back, John was born and John sent Kyle back. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Jacob...
Locke is dead, notice that his body is carried in the box to the remains of the statue. Yet Locke is in the base of the statue with Ben speaking with Jacob.
The ash encircling the cabin is broken. The creature caged by the ash is free to wander the island.
Yet, "Dead is dead."
So Locke is dead. But the Locke speaking with Ben to Jacob actually is Esau, Jacob's older brother, masquerading as Locke.
Read the Bible or even Wikipedia for the stories of Esau & Jacob...
Jacob paying for Katie's stolen lunchbox gives her reason to believe that she can get away with theft. (Notice her friend playing with the metal plane she gathers up many seasons ago.) Jacob either saves Sayid from the car accident, or ensures Ilana dies. Jacob gives James the pen to continue writing the nasty latter to Sawyer the conman. Jacob gets Hurley on the plane. Jacob has the power and Esau (as Locke) wants the power back.
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Rose and Bernard wanting to die together defines who the entertwined skeletons were 1st season.
Just my 2 cents... | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | For those that missed it, or don't speak latin, and I had to look it up myself...
"What lies in the shadow of the statue?"
"Ille qui nos omnis servabit." Translation: "He who will save us all." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | This was clearly the best ep of LOSt so far, they finally tie things up for the final season. Nice theory on the bible reference  cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 101 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am leaning more to the Egyptian god theory. Being Sobek (Jacob) and Apep (other guy). Ohhhh man just found after looking at Egyptian gods. The statue has to be of Tawaret. Tawaret was a goddess who protected women during pregnancy and childbirth. | | | | Sometimes you are the bowling ball, sometimes you are the pins. | | | | Last edited: by vido |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Statue's destroyed and women die during pregnancy. Coincidence? |
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