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Film or Video mode during BD playback.
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Hi there.
I have a little question, here in Norway we have a company called Star Media Entertainment that distributes i.e Dimensions Films and other movies from "small" companies (if I should put it this way.) Anyway their DVD releases are not the best products around, and their BD releases are OK. However, they seem to be mastering their BD's in 25 fps, which on my set-up results in "missing frame" I can watch a movie and suddenly it looks like a frame is missing from the movie. Does that have anything to do with the 25fps mastering? And my BD player (Panasonic DMP-BD50) is set to detect Video or Film mode automaticly. But I suspect that SME titles are not mastered as they should be, so they give me regulary  a missing frame during playback.

In the manual of my BD player Film modus should be used for : " Recorded at 25 fps (PAL discs) or 24 fps (NTSC discs). (NTSC discs recorded at 30 fps as well.) Generally appropriate for motion picture films."
For Video mode: "Recorded at 25 frames/50 fields per second. (PAL discs) or 30 frames/60 fields per second (NTSC discs). Generally appropriate for TV drama programs or animation.

So if I lock the settings to "Film" would the "missing frame" come back? As for now I just had 3 SME titles that I gave away to my father due to the problem as described, so I can't verify it now..
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Hi bentyman,

if you are right that the SME-discs are mastered with 25 fps i would try to use the "Video Mode".

Perhaps in Film Mode at a bad mastered BR your BR-Player expects 24 fps and so the 25th frame gets lost. (I know this sounds not professionel, but i hope you understand what i mean)

In Video Mode the BR-Player should expect 25 frames so that this should match to the SME disc.

If you can try it, it would be nice if you could say if i was right or wrong. 

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I will try Video Mode, but have to get back my SME discs first to try it Anyway another question, if I set it permanently to Video Mode, would it affect BD playing at 24fps? Or is the simplest to choose Video Mode when playing SME titles and turn it to Automatic after watching it?

Another thing. When I see the missing frame (skiping) and when I rewind the movie a little and see the same scene where the frame was missing, suddenly it plays ok and theres no missing frame, so it seems that it must be random frames that's been missing, probably in some sort of cycle. If I explained this understandably..
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Hi bentyman,

if you are right that the SME-discs are mastered with 25 fps i would try to use the "Video Mode".

Perhaps in Film Mode at a bad mastered BR your BR-Player expects 24 fps and so the 25th frame gets lost. (I know this sounds not professionel, but i hope you understand what i mean)

In Video Mode the BR-Player should expect 25 frames so that this should match to the SME disc.

If you can try it, it would be nice if you could say if i was right or wrong. 

Regards
Virus


Hi VirusPil ,

Welcome to the forums..,

Couldn't help but notice that only after 5 posts you have a gold Star ., I then checked your past five forum letters and can't figure out what you did that everyone awarded you many many many  big Greenies.. 

Must have been something I've overlooked ... 
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Hi VirusPil ,
Welcome to the forums..,
Couldn't help but notice that only after 5 posts you have a gold Star ., I then checked your past five forum letters and can't figure out what you did that everyone awarded you many many many  big Greenies.. 
Must have been something I've overlooked ...

Thanks for the welcome. I'm not the big forum contributer (and i think i won't get one), but sometimes i think i have also something to say.    Even if there are many more active members in the forums.

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There are other ways to get than forum posts.

I don't know if you get a good reputation for good profile contributions, so i think i got them for my contribution votes.
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I will try Video Mode, but have to get back my SME discs first to try it Anyway another question, if I set it permanently to Video Mode, would it affect BD playing at 24fps? Or is the simplest to choose Video Mode when playing SME titles and turn it to Automatic after watching it?

Another thing. When I see the missing frame (skiping) and when I rewind the movie a little and see the same scene where the frame was missing, suddenly it plays ok and theres no missing frame, so it seems that it must be random frames that's been missing, probably in some sort of cycle. If I explained this understandably..


I don't know if my suspicion is right, but that's what i think is logical.

I think for other BR the auto-detection should work best. (For BR that are mastered with 24 fps, the Video Mode won't be the best because of the 25/50 or 30/60 fps specialization)

The shuffle of the missing frame after rewinding could be explaioned like this:
When you start a BR with 25 fps, but your Player just shows 24 fps, always the 25th frame is missing. (25, 50, 75, ...) If you rewind and you start at frame 13 the next missing frames should be 38, 63, 88, ...

I hope i could help (We will see) 

Today i received my BR-Player and i hope i'll also get help in the forum if i need.

Have a nive day.
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Sounds logical, VirusPil. But there seems to not be any regular missing frame. It can play great for 20-30 minutes till I see that the frame are missing again... But I will try it at Video Mode as soon as I get a SME title borrowed
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