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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sometimes it is hard to know exactly what i film's original title is. I just noticed that Jess Franco's film Eugenie, the story of her journey into perversion (UK release 5-060020-621291) has the original title listed as Marquis de Sade's "Philosophy in the Boudoir". This is indeed the onscreen title.
However, I do not believe that this is in fact the original title. Both IMDb and the Swedish Film Institute database has the original title listed as just Eugenie.
Marquis de Sade's "Philosophy in the Boudoir" seems to be the UK release title.
The problem is - how do I verify this without using "third party databases"? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | We often use third party databases to provide data for this database and are allowed per the rules and Ken's clarifications.
Pre-release data, SRP, CoO, Cast Roles etc. are just a few examples of when we use other sites for information.
In your case, I would find a DVD in the invelos database that has the correct Original Title and copy that information. I would also find multiple third party sites that also prove what the correct Original Title is.
Finally, I would document why I am submitting the change. I would provide the UPC/EAN as well as links for where I got the data in my contribution notes. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't forget you can cite them as a source, gunnar. Were it me, I would likely look for at least two, maybe three independent sources to cite. Be careful a lot of supposedly independent sources tie directly back to IMDb, so they would not be truly independent. I would start my research with IMDb, tcmdb, and the film distributor. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy made a good suggestion too. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy, Can you point me to Ken's clarification? The rules say "Please don't submit content from a third party database", and makes an explicit exception to this for role names, but I see no exception for titles. Quote:
I would find a DVD in the invelos database that has the correct Original Title and copy that information How does that help if I don't know what the correct original title is? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Gunnar
There is a difference between submitting content and using as a reference source, especially when multiple sources are used. I would never submit or accept anyone as a ole source, especially IMDb. If I can find one, I can find more. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
There is a difference between submitting content and using as a reference source. It seems to me that there is a rather diffuse line between the two. If you collect the data from the online source, then it would fall under "submitting content", IMHO. If you just use the online source to verify something, then it would not. So, if the question is "Is the original name 'Eugenie'?" and I check on IMDb, then I am not submitting content from IMDb, but only using it as a reference. If, on the other hand, my question is " What is the original name for this film" and I look it up on IMDb, then I am retrieving data, and thus submitting content if I upload it in a profile. Perhaps I am interpreting the rules too strictly. But it's rather confusing that one is sometimes asked to follow the rules to the letter, and sometimes told too interpret them more loosely. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would not trust IMDb on this. Not too long ago they had the completely wrong credits for this movie. But if you can get some more references it might convince me that the screen title isn't the original title. But what are we supposed to profile exactly? The DVD or a 35 mm print none of us have seen or have access to. Reminds me a bit of the Star Wars discusssion we just had were someone suggested that the film posters were a better source than the DVD... I think the screen title carries a lot of weight if you want to change it to something else you better be more convincing than that. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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