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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | When you have an optional child profile for multi-disc releases such as "Beatles Anthology" where pne of the discs ID based profiles is "Beatles Anthology: Parts 1 and 2" Shouldnt the child profile have the Original Title of "Beatles Anthology"?
I have put in some submissions doing that and I am getting YES votes except from one person and I just want to ensure I am coorect
Also in the example of TV Seasons. "Dexter: The First Season: Dsic 1" would have the original title of "Dexter: The First Season"
It would seem to help the CLT in grouping distinct title and not get as many skewed results. | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,745 |
| Posted: | | | | There's no rule in the rule and so everyone is making one up as it suits them.
For example, I've seen original titles ranging from:
This Famous TV Show: The Complete Season 1: Disc 4 This Famous TV Show: The Complete Season 1 This Famous TV Show
for disc profiles. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: There's no rule in the rule and so everyone is making one up as it suits them.
For example, I've seen original titles ranging from:
This Famous TV Show: The Complete Season 1: Disc 4 This Famous TV Show: The Complete Season 1 This Famous TV Show
for disc profiles. I may not have seent it all, but I have never seen "This Famous TV Show: The Complete Season 1: Disc 4" as an original title, but only as a title and "This Famous TV Show: The Complete Season 1" in the case of season releases and "This Famous TV Show" only in the case of TV Mini series/documentaries and such where there are no additional seasons |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | If two things have the same original title, they should have the same content, or at least different versions of the same content. Since TV Show: Season 1: disc 1 is completely different than TV show season 1: disc 2, they should not have the same original title. Think of the people who are trying to find stuff by original title. |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Also "TV Show: Season One" is not the original title of TV Show: Season One: episodes 1-4. It's the title of TV Show: Season One: episodes 1-22 or however long it went. This amounts to labeling a partial release as if it were the whole thing. |
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: If two things have the same original title, they should have the same content, or at least different versions of the same content. Since TV Show: Season 1: disc 1 is completely different than TV show season 1: disc 2, they should not have the same original title. Think of the people who are trying to find stuff by original title. In this case under what circumstance would people be searching by original title since original title is not populated unless it differes from the profiles title. I really do not see a benefit to what you are getting at. I have seen contributions doing what I was contributing a lot and in my mind it does not violite the original title rule. You can always lock yours locally. The only place where there may be gray area are in the cases if TV seasons, but mini series and documentaries clearly are in a different category as far as grey area go |
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Also "TV Show: Season One" is not the original title of TV Show: Season One: episodes 1-4. It's the title of TV Show: Season One: episodes 1-22 or however long it went. This amounts to labeling a partial release as if it were the whole thing. Let me ask you this If I put the First disc of "Band of Brothers" in my player which is profiled as "Band of Brothers: Disc 1" and select one of the two episodes on that disc will I see "Band of Brothers: Disc 1" on the screen or "Band of Brothers". That in my mind allows the original title of that disc ID based profile to be "Band of Brothers" by the rules. Like I said the only grey area are the TV season releases. Where you have a season release you should also segregate. |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | You'll see "Band of Brothers," followed by an episode title. If you wanted to make the OT "Band of Brothers: Currahee & Day of Days", that would make sense, but might be hard to standardize. |
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: You'll see "Band of Brothers," followed by an episode title. If you wanted to make the OT "Band of Brothers: Currahee & Day of Days", that would make sense, but might be hard to standardize. You are correct, but the profile titles don't contain episodic information. That is left for the episode dviders in the cast and crew and there are multiple episodes on a single disc. Putting the episodic informtaion in the disc titles makes no sense to me. But I do not see how that would alter the original title. I really don't see where you are going in your argument since the ":Disc 1" in "Band of Brothers: Disc 1" is only there to differentiate the disc ID based profiles from one another and not reflect the episodic content of the "Band of Brothers" mini-series as a whole. The title of the disc ID based profile is based on the combination of the release title and the disc label, not episodic content In the case of TV seasons (as far as title goes) we are told to add the season information if it exists on the cover. So as far as the crey area for TV seasons, it is actually not that grey. | | | Last edited: by Scooter1836 |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | That rule is for seasons, though. Your assertion that it also applies to the individual-disc children is nowhere in the rules and therefore gray at best. When something is gray, we should go with what makes sense, not just to force through rules which may not apply and lead to bad results.
To wit, the rules say the the OT field is for works which had their title changed for home video or foreign release. Serialized works which have some portion on the disc are quite different and so do not fit into the described function of the field. Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Complete First Season is not to Buffy la cazavampiros: la temporada primera completa as Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Complete First Season: Disc One is to Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Complete First Season: Disc Two
The program is also designed around the idea that the OT reflects the name of the actual contents of the disc, not some larger work of which the contents are a part because it gives us the option to display the original title instead of the title in the list. Should TV Show: The Complete Collection contain six TV Show Season One, five TV Show: Season Two and so on with no way to tell the different without opening the profile? That would be the result of doing things this way. | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with Ace_of_Sevens.
Original title is for the parent profile - children do not get this data. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Well I already admitted the TV seasons is grey because they could be in multiple releases.
But at the same point adding the disc to the title is not in the rules either (or a clarification by Ken that I can find), but at the same point needed. But this adds to issues in the CLT when it is doing title counts since the original title is not populated
From titles I have downloaded the setting of the original title in TV Mini Series and single season documentaries is not uncommon |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: I agree with Ace_of_Sevens.
Original title is for the parent profile - children do not get this data. The rule for the individual profile says, and I quote, "Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules." The standard rules say, again I quote, "The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title." Based on that, the child profiles can have an original title. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: The rule for the individual profile says, and I quote, "Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules."
The standard rules say, again I quote, "The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title."
Based on that, the child profiles can have an original title. Yes, that's beside the issue at hand. I'd agree that they should have an original title in some circumstances, but not in the way Scooter is saying. I'd be fine with "Ellen: Season One: Disc One" being listed as "These Friends of Mine: Season One: Disc One" or "Buffy - Im Bann der Dämonen: Die komplette Season 1 - disc 1" as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Complete Season 1: Disc 1," though we should work out a way to standardize how to do this so that releases will actually get matched with their foreign counterparts in the DB counting, but not "Ellen: Season One" or "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Complete Season One," which is an especially ridiculous OT to put on somethign which is not the complete season one. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | This time, martian, I agree with your interpretation. Conceptually I think its probably not the best thing to do with the original title field, but it is allowed currently. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Yes, that's beside the issue at hand. No, it is not beside the issue at hand as Kathy said, "Original title is for the parent profile - children do not get this data." I made my post to point out that the rules do not support that statement. No more, no less. Whether or not it is a good idea, well, that is a different story. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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