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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 767 |
| | Posted: | | | | *crosspost from the Contribution Rules Committee section*
There are multiple threads, usually of the escalating kind, and I'm ready to throw in my $2.00. The rules have not been updated in years, and various rules are open for multiple interpretations. We've all seen the topics on the contribution forum. How about taking a page from Discogs? On Discogs.com, rules are updated regularly, and are very clear.
So, without further ado, here are my peeves.
Ken, please address these issues:
* Multiple initial names. We have people measuring the distance between letters. Ridiculous. Make up a rule that sets this all in stone. How about "Every multiple initial name needs to be entered as:".
* Capitalization. On Discogs, every word in a title starts with a capital letter. The end. No more mistakes from titles in full caps on the title, or confusion for those who are not familiar with the capitalization rules for EVERY FRIGGIN LANGUAGE.
* Season indicators. One character. Away with 'regional and/or cultural' traditions, and 'in <your country here> we do it like this'.
* Child profiles for TV series. Either mandatory, or not at all. Not this wishy-washy "Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required.". The Credit Lookup is a mess, because of this rule.
* A lot of the rules have wording with "may or may not", "not required", "optional". Get rid of them. It's not a Rule if you use words like this. In fact, this is the primary cause for confusion.
I'm sure there a lot of other things that need to be addressed. Have at it folks. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understand your frustration, Marcel, but I cannot accept your solution. Capitalization is tricky in the English language, and if you want to enter “Let the Right One In” as “Let The Right One In”, then fine. However, Swedish like many other languages capitalizes titles just the same as in ordinary text. So the Swedish title is “Låt den rätte komma in”. And let me tell you, hell will freeze over before I enter it as “Låt Den Rätte Komma In”. That's just so wrong!
And crossposting is also wrong. Now you'll get comments in both forums. I'll keep my comment in the one that most people will read. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
Child profiles for TV series. Either mandatory, or not at all. Not this wishy-washy "Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required.". The Credit Lookup is a mess, because of this rule. For season sets I agree. But with complete series sets where the case just contains discs than individual disc profiles is the only way. Could you imagine trying to profile a series that ran for 10+ years in just the parent profile? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting marcelb7: Quote:
Ken, please address these issues: Yes, the rules need a massive overhaul to reflect reality. Quote:
* Capitalization. On Discogs, every word in a title starts with a capital letter. The end. No more mistakes from titles in full caps on the title, or confusion for those who are not familiar with the capitalization rules for EVERY FRIGGIN LANGUAGE. Well, you enter it as best you can and if a native-speaker who knows it better he updates it and everything is fine. Those without the specific knowledge just have to hold their fingers still. For me too it will will be a cold day in hell before I accept mangled up german titles in my database. Quote:
* Season indicators. One character. Away with 'regional and/or cultural' traditions, and 'in <your country here> we do it like this'. See, there we have the bad wording again ... One charcter ... because all series only have up to 9 season? Not to mention that I don't see the big problem to take it from the cover. Quote:
* Child profiles for TV series. Either mandatory, or not at all. Not this wishy-washy "Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required.". The Credit Lookup is a mess, because of this rule. In my humble opinion the credit lookup is a bad idea anyways, because it tries to silve a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place. I see really no sense to change the rules to its benefit. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think we need new rules, but not those you are proposing. A correct database needs data that will allow to use database functions, as filtering, linking, sorting, searching,... and, to obtain that, we need that in all fields we get "one object = one and only one identifier".
So we have to stop with the "copy exactly what is on cover/credits" stupid concept (which kills all database functions as soon as a credit or cover maker makes a mistake), and rewrite the rules with a "correct data" concept. This is for all fields : credits, movie titles, studios, overviews...
Then we'll have usable data, and probably get a new interest to contribute, which is no more the case with our "create a mess" rules. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 767 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gsyren: Quote:
And crossposting is also wrong. Now you'll get comments in both forums. Not everyone has access to the Contribution rules committee section. I posted there first, but this forum has more visibility, and hopefully more interaction. Although I've been here long enough to know that only a handful of people post here, and that consensus and progress are not very likely to happen... Quoting Mithi: Quote:
Quoting marcelb7:
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* Season indicators. One character. Away with 'regional and/or cultural' traditions, and 'in <your country here> we do it like this'.
See, there we have the bad wording again ... One charcter ... because all series only have up to 9 season? Not to mention that I don't see the big problem to take it from the cover. Not the season numbering, but the character after the title. Apparently using a colon consistantly is very difficult, and it violates people's local customs. Tough. | | | | Last edited: by marcelb7 |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,641 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting marcelb7: Quote:
Capitalization. On Discogs, every word in a title starts with a capital letter. The end. No more mistakes from titles in full caps on the title, or confusion for those who are not familiar with the capitalization rules for EVERY FRIGGIN LANGUAGE. What does Discogs have to do with movies? Not to mention their capitalization of titles is incorrect. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 767 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
Quoting marcelb7:
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Capitalization. On Discogs, every word in a title starts with a capital letter. The end. No more mistakes from titles in full caps on the title, or confusion for those who are not familiar with the capitalization rules for EVERY FRIGGIN LANGUAGE.
What does Discogs have to do with movies? Not to mention their capitalization of titles is incorrect. As in 'user generated database'. And their capitalization of titles is correct, because it's in their rules. Quote:
We don't enter titles or names as ALL CAPS, so they are entered on this release using the standard Discogs rule: Capitalize The First Letter Of Each Word. | | | | Last edited: by marcelb7 |
| | Registered: June 26, 2013 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 694 |
| | Posted: | | | | here are not alone English speaking people! German spelling prohibits -> Capitalize The First Letter Of Each Word. | | | 
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting marcelb7: Quote:
Ken, please address these issues: I can't speak for Ken. But my observation for the past 10+ years is that you'd have better luck using the tools provided. By that I mean you need to start some discussions in the contribution forum. Simply pick a rule and propose what you'd like to see in the rules. The quickest way would be simply write the new rule as you'd like to see it. Then let people pick it apart, change the wording, find holes, play devil's advocate, etc. Once you have a rule change that the majority seem on-board with, start a poll. Assuming your your poll has favorable results, then you can take it to Ken. That's not to say that Ken won't step in and lay down the law. But I suspect if he wanted to run things that way, he wouldn't have given us a forum where we could have such conversations in the first place. I can also say the last 2-3 major rule changes were done in a similar fashion. A group went off on their own (this was before the new forum for us to discuss such things), wrote an entirely new set of rules and handed them off to Ken at the end. My preference is to let him concentrate on programming. We should take the burden of maintaining the rules off his shoulders so he can focus on more important things. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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