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I hope all you European people are right!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorParsec
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Hmm Prometheus, one movie, 4 disks, Blu-ray 3D, blu-ray 2D, Blu-ray extras, DVD and also a digital copy.... looking at whats already in the db, the Americans haven't entered any disc id info or boxset info, however a bunch of various European editions have added the disc id's for all 4 discs in the main profile - no boxset childs.

Well I hope you are right guys as I will be submitting my Aussie copy based on your profiles
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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You are really supposed to create your profile from the discs themselves, not copy other localities, especially if you aren't sure, and in this case, you clearly state you're not sure.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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You are really supposed to create your profile from the discs themselves, not copy other localities, especially if you aren't sure, and in this case, you clearly state you're not sure.


I think you've misunderstood what he's saying. He is profiling using the Australian release. All he's picking up on is the fact the US profilers have treated the release as a boxset and the European profiles have treated it as a standard profile. He's following the way the Europeans have profiled it.
IVS Registered: January 2, 2002
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Lithurge is correct. I always look for existing entries for guidelines to types I've not done before.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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I see now... I thought you were duplicating entire profiles or something. lol.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorPantheon
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I've just edited the UK version 5039036054157

The cast and crew were copied from a US profile and it was a total mess!! I really wish people would stop copying from other locations and then blindly submitting the data as gospel.

I realise that's not what you're talking about Parsec...I just thought I'd throw that out there!   
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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The cast and crew were copied from a US profile and it was a total mess!! I really wish people would stop copying from other locations and then blindly submitting the data as gospel.



In this case, the prior submission doesn't look a particular mess to me, more like the submitter didn't go down to the same level of detail as you have.  Without checking each one, the names and roles (give or take the odd common name or birth year) are idenitcal for the data they have entered.
IVS Registered: January 2, 2002
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I actually have a question about this Prometheus copy. On the back cover it list the usual features and also states 'alternate beginning and ending". Thing is, I can't find these alternate beginning/endings. Where on the disc are they? Am I looking at the wrong disc? Or is it part of the BDLive type thing where it can download extras to external media on my BDP.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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On the UK release they're on the 2d disc (I think) and are just part of the deleted scenes section (not explicitly labelled as alternate start/end). The start scene makes more of a ceremony of the engineer doing what he does in the film, with multiple engineers involved, can't remember what the end was.
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Oh good, I'll have a look for it.

I did notice when doing the profile that the 3 blu-ray discs have the same disc id's that other areas in the world have but the dvd was a totally different id. Oddly enough the BD discs appear to be region free yet the cover explicitly states Region B. Odd...
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorGreyHulk
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I believe the alternate ending is named 'Paradise' on the disc.
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorPantheon
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The cast and crew were copied from a US profile and it was a total mess!! I really wish people would stop copying from other locations and then blindly submitting the data as gospel.



In this case, the prior submission doesn't look a particular mess to me, more like the submitter didn't go down to the same level of detail as you have.  Without checking each one, the names and roles (give or take the odd common name or birth year) are idenitcal for the data they have entered.


At first glance the profile looked fine. However, once I started going through it the cast and crew had obviously been lifted from IMDB because so many of them were not acceptable according to the rules and they were all in the wrong order.

If someone copies the cast and crew I don't see why they can't take the time to check what they're submitting. No pride and laziness is the problem in my opinion....and, if they don't have the time (as not everyone does) then I personally would prefer that they not submit the cast and crew.

Sorry, but this is my biggest problem with the online db and it really gets my goat!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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Ok, don't take this as having a go, you got me intrigued as the cast/crew are copied from a the version I own and were submitted by a contributor I trust.

Having gone through each credit the main issue is missing credits (couple of the visual FX houses are completely missing and your submission has 5 additional crew members at the end of other lists, Weta name is too long) but otherwise I'd say that's more to genuine mistakes than copying it from IMDB, or if they did copy initially, a mistake in correcting those areas. Unless we're looking at different credits somehow of course (I've actually compared what's in your submission against what's in the pending submission that states it's copied the cast and crew).

I don't see the copy/paste point as any different from not checking the detail of submitted updates to the nth degree when voting.  You might as well say people can't vote if they don't check all of the detail.

My personal stance is to check data if it's somebody I don't recognise/trust. If they have a proven track record I'll generally accept it unless I spot an obvious error.

PS sorry for hijacking your thread Parsec 
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Hmm Prometheus, one movie, 4 disks, Blu-ray 3D, blu-ray 2D, Blu-ray extras, DVD and also a digital copy.... looking at whats already in the db, the Americans haven't entered any disc id info or boxset info, however a bunch of various European editions have added the disc id's for all 4 discs in the main profile - no boxset childs.

Well I hope you are right guys as I will be submitting my Aussie copy based on your profiles


I would not worry because of no box set children.

Children for the alternative media types in combo sets are optional to the profile.  Many people do not use them and therefore will not submit them.

Just check the data before you clone, create the cihild profiles if you are like me and like the optional children.  Just be sure when you clone you take it frm a locality with the best data and change the locality along with the UPC/Disc ID.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSpikyCactus
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If someone copies the cast and crew I don't see why they can't take the time to check what they're submitting. No pride and laziness is the problem in my opinion....and, if they don't have the time (as not everyone does) then I personally would prefer that they not submit the cast and crew.

Sorry, but this is my biggest problem with the online db and it really gets my goat!


I rather like that in a perverse way. 

When I go to audit something and notice ‘certain people’ have already had a go at the same profile, I die a bit inside, as I know I’m going to struggle to find anything wrong and consequently waste a bit of my life doing so.  The best I can hope for is to add something that’s not in the database, or is new due to change in the contribution rules.

But as soon as I notice a long list of uncredited cast or a really poor scan of the cover, I know I’m in for a treat!

Then again, I think it’s only once or twice I’ve not managed to find something to add or change.
Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it?  Guttermouth "Lemon Water".  Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally.  So I'm an anarchist, deal with it.  Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted...
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@Lithurge - no problems hijacking - gives me something to read

Hmm I wonder if there would be a way to somehow get a consensus on cast and crew for particular movies, and when a bunch a people agree have the db updated with this list for all entries of that movie. So we have something like an "approved" list of cast and crew for movies. I'm kinda thinking for those instances where someone decides to really correct a cast crew listing for a particular entry they could post it somewhere and other people could comment, thus if people agree then all instances of that movie could be updated. I guess you could call this increasing the number of screeners for this update by making it public.

Guess it would need a forum or a separate db or something. But it would nice to have the same cast/crew list across all ean/upc entries of a movie.
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