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| Registered: March 21, 2007 |  Posts: 392 |
| | Posted: | | | | A lot of DVDs / Blu-rays in non-english speaking regions have a track for the local dubbing voices after the normal movie credits. For Example in Germany we have: Quote:
Mit den deutschen Stimmen von (means: With the german voices of)
Thomas Danneberg als Dutch
Ingolf Gorges als Poncho
... They definitely get a voice tag but do we mark them as credited or uncredited. Which is also interesting for the common name of those peoples. When we mark them as uncredited CLT couldn't help us anymore...  | | | Hardy
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | They are not "standard" credits, but since they are credited elsewhere I always list them as credited.
Same situation we have with documentaries where people are often credited outside the standard credits. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | A related question:
Some German BluRay releases of animated-features (e.g. Epic) do not show the Original Voice-Cast if the correct local language (German) is chosen. They only turn up if the English Audio-Track is selected.
Would we list those? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
A related question:
Some German BluRay releases of animated-features (e.g. Epic) do not show the Original Voice-Cast if the correct local language (German) is chosen. They only turn up if the English Audio-Track is selected.
Would we list those? Wasn't there a ruling on how to deal with audio tracks / subtitles that are only selectable if you choose a certain menu language first? | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes, if I remember correctly that ruling was about having to change the default settings of your blu-ray player in order to be able to choose a Japanese audio track which would be hidden on the default settings.
Such a track would be an Easter Egg for the locality in question, if my memory is anything to go by. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting awilbohk: Quote:
A lot of DVDs / Blu-rays in non-english speaking regions have a track for the local dubbing voices after the normal movie credits. What do you mean with "normal" movie credits? If the dubbers are not credited in the movie, they are uncredited. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Yes, if I remember correctly that ruling was about having to change the default settings of your blu-ray player in order to be able to choose a Japanese audio track which would be hidden on the default settings.
Such a track would be an Easter Egg for the locality in question, if my memory is anything to go by. But in this case I'm not talking about player-manipulation. The available credits simply depend on which language you choose in the BluRay menu. To stay within the aforementioned example. Epic has the following Audio Tracks selectable via BluRay menu: - English (Original) - French (Dubbed) - Spanish (Dubbed) - Catalan (Dubbed) - Dutch (Dubbed) - German (Dubbed) - Flemish (Dubbed) all come with their own credits. The English credits then even are implemented into the "normal" endcrawl, but get removed if another language is selected. The "Dubbed" Audio Tracks have a forced extra chapter after the endcrawl listing the localised voice-cast. EDIT: BTW if we should decide not to enter the Original Voice Cast, how would we handle the Original Sound Crew (especially Production Sound Mixer and Re-Recording Mixers) then? They, for obvious reasons, were not involved at all in the localised Audio Tracks. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 21, 2007 | | Posts: 392 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
What do you mean with "normal" movie credits? If the dubbers are not credited in the movie, they are uncredited. Maybe I should list what I see after pressed play on e.g. a Blu-ray menu to make it a bit more transparent: 1. Studio Logos 2. Opening (Credits) 3. Main Feature 4. End Credits 5. Dubbing Credits 6. Warning and then I got back to the menu. In my eyes this is a part of the movie. | | | Hardy
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| Registered: August 4, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,441 |
| | Posted: | | | | In italian edition sometime the dubbers are credited before the end credits, more often after the end credits. Anyway they ARE credited, maybe not in "standard" credits, but since they are credited I list them as credited under a group divider at the end of normal credits. | | | | Updated List of Accepted Birth Years |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting awilbohk: Quote:
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What do you mean with "normal" movie credits? If the dubbers are not credited in the movie, they are uncredited.
Maybe I should list what I see after pressed play on e.g. a Blu-ray menu to make it a bit more transparent: You should list what you see after having pressed play on the different language options, if you want to make it a bit more transparent. Quote:
1. Studio Logos
2. Opening (Credits)
3. Main Feature
4. End Credits
5. Dubbing Credits
6. Warning
and then I got back to the menu.
In my eyes this is a part of the movie. You are not talking about the movie. You are talking about videos and textual notes the disc's play list forces you to see, before the movie begins, and after the movie has ended, when you have selected a specific language option. So tell us, are your Studio Logos, Dubbing Credits and Warnings really within the movie's running time? | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Contribution rules don't state that the credits for non-"standard" film credits have to be shown during the movie's running time...  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | The disc itself counts as an "authoritative source for information". I understand that to include information about the film as well. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MakoDeth: Quote:
The Contribution rules don't state that the credits for non-"standard" film credits have to be shown during the movie's running time... That does not answer the question "Are your Studio Logos, Dubbing Credits and Warnings within the movie's running time?". I know why you don't answer the question, because the various textual notes are not part of the film at all. The films in question do have "Standard" film credits. The films in question do have "End credits". The movies end, without any dubber. Uncredited. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: March 21, 2007 | | Posts: 392 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
I know why you don't answer the question, because the various textual notes are not part of the film at all. I do not know how it looks with your time, but I have a real life ... so I couldn't ever reply as fast as I like to do. Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
So tell us, are your Studio Logos, Dubbing Credits and Warnings really within the movie's running time? Sometimes the Studios Logos are part of the running time, sometimes not. Dubbing Credits are not part of the running time. But Dubbing Credits isn't part of the running time, because they are part of the localized version of the movie and came as a separate track. I also saw the Dubbing Credits in cinema. Credited. | | | Hardy
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting awilbohk: Quote:
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So tell us, are your Studio Logos, Dubbing Credits and Warnings really within the movie's running time?
Dubbing Credits are not part of the running time. But Dubbing Credits isn't part of the running time, because they are part of the localized version of the movie and came as a separate track. The textual notes about the dubbers are not part of a localized version of the movie. There is no additional localized version of the movie on the disc. There's only one version of the film, with various audio tracks. It's painfully obvious, that there is no chapter in the film containg dubbers, but the French, Italian, German, Spanish... dubbers are on separate video tracks. You are violating The Rules, section Cast: "For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only." Anything else must be marked as Uncredited. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Something here screams "Personal Preferences Only" and it is not the opinion of bbbbb this time.
In fact those "Forced Extra Chapters" can easily be considered as a "Forced Bonus Feature" (Similar but not identical to those forced trailers at the beginning of a disc). Credits that appear in Bonus Features only according to the rules are to be entered as "Uncredited". | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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