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| Registered: May 8, 2007 |  Posts: 824 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
You use what is actually credited. The days is historically very important. Ha enter seen Brave so I can't address what may or may not be the credit, beyond this wdshe will be the media company pro ably with bvhe. Walt was never credited with any producer credit in my memory and w cannot record ANY uncredited crew as spelled out in the rules. lol what | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Grendell
Try reading the rules, it very clearly talks about not using uncredited crew and why. A Walt Disney production is not either a producer credit nor an ep credit. I cannot recall any such credit for Walt in any film, though I could be wrong. If it ever appeared on screen it would have been in one of the live action films, never in any of the animated films. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | What I would really like to see is a "credited as" for studios - thereby preserving the name as given on screen while linking all of the variations together as one. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 |  Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
What I would really like to see is a "credited as" for studios - thereby preserving the name as given on screen while linking all of the variations together as one. OMG! ..and then next we'll have BY's for studios so we can tell what name was in use for which time period  |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
What I would really like to see is a "credited as" for studios - thereby preserving the name as given on screen while linking all of the variations together as one. This. But at a local level only. The database should have only what is listed on-screen. That way if people want to nest Warner Bros. - Warner Bros. Pictures - Warner Bros = Warner Bros. incorrectely they can locally and not affect the rest of us. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gamemaster: Quote:
Disney only communicates with Disney and not Walt Disney Pictures anymore. As far as I can see Walt Disney Pictures isn't used anywhere on the disc. I've added a screenshot.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/vastleggeninvolledigschc.png/ Last year's 'The Muppets' opened with that very same "Disney"-only logo, too, but the actual film credits still showed the full "Walt Disney Pictures" credit. Doesn't that apply to 'Brave' as well; isn't the full "Walt Disney Pictures" seen somewhere in the opening or closing credits? |
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| Registered: February 8, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,220 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unlike the Muppets in Brave the name Walt Disney Pictures isn't used anywhere. Not in the openingcredits and not in the endcredits. In the openingcredits it's also Disney presents.
The new shorts collection only uses Walt Disney Pictures in the oldest short movies, but in the new ones like La Luna Walt Disney Pictures isn't used also. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I guess I am going to have to buy Brave. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: February 8, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,220 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm bringing this up again since somebody is changing a lot of Disney credits to Walt Disney Pictures. pointing to this part of the rules. Quote:
Do not abbreviate Studio or Media Company names. e.g, use Universal Pictures not just Universal; The Criterion Collection rather than Criterion or Criterion Collection; Walt Disney Pictures not just Disney. Exception: If the studio name is too long to fit, use standard abbreviation rules. Disney branded Walt Disney Pictures to just Disney since 2011. So, as already stated by iPatsa, Disney isn't an abbreviation anymore and can be used as a studio and in my opinion the rules are outdated for the movies later than 2011. Hereby some new pictures taken from the opening credits from Brave. This is how Disney list it since 2011. First the logo which is being used nowadays:  But more important:  So in my opinion Disney is the studio we list in this case and not Walt Disney Pictures, or am I wrong? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,680 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
Quoting Danae Cassandra:
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What I would really like to see is a "credited as" for studios - thereby preserving the name as given on screen while linking all of the variations together as one.
OMG! ..and then next we'll have BY's for studios so we can tell what name was in use for which time period I'm sort of surprised that over the decades we haven't had duplicate studios yet. Like a studio that went out of business years ago and some new company comes along and takes that name of that defunct studio. What we would do in that situation? Of course that's a what if question, but interesting to think of. |
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| Registered: May 2, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 490 |
| | Posted: | | | | Great. Another situation identical to the Box Set parent info one (http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=965429).
Well, the rules say "don't abbreviate" and who is here to decide "Disney" is an abbreviation of "Walt Disney Pictures"?
Studio names change, because they are companies that buy and sell parts of it at times, reconstruct and so on.
It's rather funny however that, according to the rules, Walt Disney Pictures isn't allowed to ever change their company name. And thus, "Walt Disney Pictures" is what must be in the db.
Stupid. And no one around to bother with changing the rules. Or at least explain further. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,639 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MikaLove: Quote:
Great. Another situation identical to the Box Set parent info one (http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=965429).
Well, the rules say "don't abbreviate" and who is here to decide "Disney" is an abbreviation of "Walt Disney Pictures"?
Studio names change, because they are companies that buy and sell parts of it at times, reconstruct and so on.
It's rather funny however that, according to the rules, Walt Disney Pictures isn't allowed to ever change their company name. And thus, "Walt Disney Pictures" is what must be in the db.
Stupid. And no one around to bother with changing the rules. Or at least explain further. I'm curious if these titles actually have Walt Disney Pictures listed at the end of the film credits. |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | The abbreviation rule is still relevant and viable, as it is ONLY invoked when the full name displayed in the credits is truncated in the profile. It doesn't get invoked the other way around, that is, change the credited name into a fuller name that was never displayed in the credits.
The rule example never implied "Disney" by itself was an abbreviation, nor did it imply "Disney" was actually "Walt Disney Pictures".
Just don't truncate "Walt Disney Pictures" to "Disney" (or Walt, Walt Disney, Walt Pictures, Disney Pictures for that matter)!
Gamemaster provided two screenshots, the first is just an opening vanity logo and is not part of the text-based opening credits. The second screenshot (Disney Presents) is the start of the opening credits.
For recent Disney movies, if you look at the text-based end credits closely, particularly at the very end, you will often find the distribution company, production companies followed by the closing vanity logos. |
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| Registered: February 8, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,220 |
| | Posted: | | | | For the movies before 2011 Disney would be an abbreviation for Walt Disney Pictures, but since Disney branded it from Walt Disney Pictures to Disney it isn't anymore for the new movies, so therefor Disney should be a correct studio name for the movies since 2011 in my opinion.
I think The Muppets (2011) was the first movie which used the Disney only logo, but in the opening credits it still was Walt Disney Pictures presents, as T!M already said. Since Brave it's just Disney presents for all movies and Walt Disney Pictures isn't listed anywhere in the credits anymore. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,680 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just for fun I checked the credits in Coco, which was the latest profile in my collection that had Walt Disney Pictures entered as production company. Here is what I found regarding anything Disney:
Production credit: Disney
Copyright credit: Disney Enterprises
Distribution credit: Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures
And then there were of course also credits for Pixar.
So, no mention of Walt Disney Pictures anywhere in the credits that I could find. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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