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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbbbbb
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If someone submits a new overview claiming he corrected an error I believe him.

All we can do now is to hope that you do not vote.

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Did you PM the contributor, pointing out his mistake?

Explain the difference between regular and bold font style? Don't get ridiculous.
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Thanks to SwissFilm for sending the PM

Is this the "Swi---ilm: thanks" from the screenshot?

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I immediately withdrew the contribution.

Thanks. Good job.
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Those who don't act at all make no mistakes.

Are you the Mic---poon from the screenshot? There are those who care and those who don't.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Mistakes happen - it's not a big deal. Someone will catch it and take care of it.

Which is why it is important for people to contribute. The more people check, add or correct data, the more the database will improve and become more accurate.
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Mistakes happen...

Ditto.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCharlieM
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I understand a contributor making a mistake, it happens all the time.

The problem comes to the votes.  There are too many people that trust completely, and "rubber stamp" contributions.  It is really sad, considering this one would have taken less than a minute to verify (from the image within profiler).


I am all for trusting people, when it is warranted.  Even the people that are trustworthy make mistakes, and need to be checked.

Reagan said "Trust but verify" , which are good words to live by in a profiler world.

Charlie
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If someone submits a new overview claiming he corrected an error I believe him.

All we can do now is to hope that you do not vote.


You couldn't stop me if you tried. I vote to the best of my knowledge.

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Did you PM the contributor, pointing out his mistake?

Explain the difference between regular and bold font style? Don't get ridiculous.


Maybe if you had shown him the screenshot of your cover (because as this thread proved he unknowningly had a different one) this whole issue could have been concluded days ago.

But no, you came to the forum without notifying the contributor because you wanted to make a point, you wanted to be right and let everyone know it.
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Reagan said "Trust but verify" , which are good words to live by in a profiler world.


But why bother when especially the Overview field is of the anything goes category?


(the following is a personal view that has no influence on my voting behaviour):

To emphasize a word or a phrase you write it in italics or bold. But what's the point of having an entire multi-line paragraph be in bold?
Karsten
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Now I have to ask.... how is the overview an anything goes field? It is an "Exactly on back of case" field.

The bold and italics are used as they are used on back of the case. If the entire paragraph is in bold on back of the case... then it is bold in profiler.

I just don't see how that is an anything goes field.
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If someone submits a new overview claiming he corrected an error I believe him.

All we can do now is to hope that you do not vote.


You couldn't stop me if you tried. I vote to the best of my knowledge.

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Did you PM the contributor, pointing out his mistake?

Explain the difference between regular and bold font style? Don't get ridiculous.


Maybe if you had shown him the screenshot of your cover (because as this thread proved he unknowningly had a different one) this whole issue could have been concluded days ago.

But no, you came to the forum without notifying the contributor because you wanted to make a point, you wanted to be right and let everyone know it.


I agree.
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Now I have to ask.... how is the overview an anything goes field?


Exactly because of

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It is an "Exactly on back of case" field.


If a contributor says he took the overview as it was on the back cover and I see some spelling mistakes, I'll take his word for it that these spelling mistakes were there in the first place.

And since I'm usually buying when the price has dropped I often get a re-release cover which I scanned myself. So even if I actually would compare it, there's no guarantee that my cover is identical to the one of the original contribution.


On the other hand when someone tries to tell me that a german DVD has no german audio track all my warning sings begin to blink. Or when someone tries to contribute a different running time because it says so on the cover.
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I guess you mean anything could possibly go on the back of the case? I thought you were saying anything goes rules-wise!   
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Good Lord... again.

You know this wasn't done only for Skip and this is good everyone of you (even bbbbb)

Guidelines for using this forum

If you wish to state your reasons for voting 'No':
- Use the (expanded) contribution vote reason field

If you wish to ask the contributor a question:
- Use the PM function. If the user has blocked you, do not bring the question to the forums. Instead, vote based on what you know.

What you should have done is to PM the contributor with a scan of the back cover showing that it was written in bold and, if not corrected by him, cast a "no" vote. See this is quite simple to do, even for someone like you....

Sorry bbbbb but the more I read you the more you sound like a prick searching for a fight
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If someone submits a new overview claiming he corrected an error I believe him. I don't pull the DVD from the shelve to check it.

Why don't you just check the back cover from DVDP? That's what I usually do. It takes about ten seconds.

For any change that is taken/verifiable from the cover, that is exactly what I do as well.
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I understand a contributor making a mistake, it happens all the time.

The problem comes to the votes.  There are too many people that trust completely, and "rubber stamp" contributions.  It is really sad, considering this one would have taken less than a minute to verify (from the image within profiler).

Charlie


I completely disagree. If I'm going to double check everything then I might as well do all the work myself.

There are very few contributors who I feel are not trustworthy and will check every thing that they submit.

The vast majority of contributors are careful and their contributions are correct. I trust them and their work and will continue to "rubber stamp" any contributions that they make.

On the rare occasion that a mistake happens - so what? The next person who finds an error can fix it.
Even invelos allows for a mistake or two in a larger profile.

The greater problem, as far as I am concerned, is that there are not enough people willing to contribute to the database.

A simple "no" vote or pm can solve the problem without publicly pointing out such errors in the forums.

Does anyone think posting mistakes in the forums will encourage people to submit contributions?

There aren't that many people who contribute on a regular basis. We need support those people and find new ways to get others involved in the contribution process.
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I completely agree.  These should not be brought to the forums.  Vote no, give reason, move on.

There is a larger problem with the voting process.

One that I voted no on (and the contributor pulled it a thanked me in PM).  A user previously had entered a Media company, with proper documentation, and was approved.  Good so far...

Another user came along, and tried removing that same media company (presumably because it wasn't listed on the packaging).  The contributor, if he had looked at the previous notes would have seen this.  OK mistakes happen. 

Before I voted on it, 5 or 6 people had already voted yes to the contribution (including the person that made the original addition).  In this case, a simple look at the previous contribution notes, by any of the voters would have shown the possible error.

This is the problem with he voting system.  I agree, almost all contributors, try to be very careful with their contributions.  They are still human (sorry if this offends any aliens on the board ) and still make mistakes.  If we as voters cannot even make cursory checks (look at previous contribution notes, reference against images on your computer, even reference your own previous contribution), then we are doing a disservice to the system.

We do not need to redo all the work again, but we still need to keep pointing out the mistakes that we see.  If we do not catch the easy ones, and keep people on there toes, then how do you honestly say you trust the whole system.


Charlie
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