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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
While I agree that the rule is improperly written, changing joining to conjunction would also be improper.
Conjunction is a classification for a whole subject in grammar, but I will assume that you are only talking about Coordinating Conjunctions, which there are only 6 (for, and, nor, but, or, yet, so). Yes, I was referring to Coordinating Conjunctions (FANBOYS). Quote:
If it were written to only not capitalize these 6 words, it would still be improper capitalization rules. True enough, but for English titles, we are not told to use proper capitalization rules. We are for non-English titles, but for English titles, we are supposed to follow the invelos rules of capitalization and those don't include the word 'with'...and, yes, I am the sole 'no' vote Kathy is referring to and I will continue to vote no until the rule is changed. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I changed "Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs" > "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs?" and received a single "no" vote. Are you sure there is a question mark on the front cover? Quote:
Thank you for your input. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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I changed "Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs" > "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs?" and received a single "no" vote.
Are you sure there is a question mark on the front cover?
 Of course not - I just need to learn how to copy and paste correctly. |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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While I agree that the rule is improperly written, changing joining to conjunction would also be improper.
Conjunction is a classification for a whole subject in grammar, but I will assume that you are only talking about Coordinating Conjunctions, which there are only 6 (for, and, nor, but, or, yet, so).
Yes, I was referring to Coordinating Conjunctions (FANBOYS).
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If it were written to only not capitalize these 6 words, it would still be improper capitalization rules.
True enough, but for English titles, we are not told to use proper capitalization rules. We are for non-English titles, but for English titles, we are supposed to follow the invelos rules of capitalization and those don't include the word 'with'...and, yes, I am the sole 'no' vote Kathy is referring to and I will continue to vote no until the rule is changed. (it is amazing that I remember conjunctions at all from 30 years ago  ) The rules for English titles actually only tell us what 4 words not to capitalize. It does not directly tell us what to capitalize (except by example). If what you state is true, the title on the cover says "CLOUDY with a chance of MEATBALLS". Since the rules do not address this title directly, then it should remain as such. The only 2 titles given are "The Matrix Reloaded" and "Lord of the Rings". If we are not to use "proper capitalization" rules then the only words we should alter are words like "a", "of" , "the", "in". There is no rule concerning nouns, verbs, adverbs, adjectives, etc. I change my vote: Use the title as presented CLOUDY with a chance of MEATBALLS I am sure, that this interpretation will change a lot of titles.  Charlie | | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| | Registered: February 9, 2008 | | Posts: 113 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was an English teacher and I say "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs" is the correct spelling. Prepositions should not be capitalized unless they are the first word in the title: Of Mice and Men. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
If we are not to use "proper capitalization" rules then the only words we should alter are words like "a", "of" , "the", "in". There is no rule concerning nouns, verbs, adverbs, adjectives, etc. No, those, along with 'joining' words, are the ones you would not capitalize. Everything else would be capitalized, but still in mixed case. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tjenkins99: Quote:
I was an English teacher and I say "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs" is the correct spelling. Prepositions should not be capitalized unless they are the first word in the title: Of Mice and Men. As I pointed out, the rules do not call for proper capitalization...unless it is a non-English title. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: February 9, 2008 | | Posts: 113 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't care what you say. The rules are wrong! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rizor: Quote:
Capitalization rules for titles don't all agree. The Chicago Manual of Style and MLA state not to capitalize prepositions (such as "with") while the APA states to capitalize everything with four or more letters.
You can always use this tool: Title Capitalization Tool.  You don't capitalize prepositions. That's the way I was taught when I went to school. But that was eons ago. Rules should have referenced one of the many standard books used in the US school system. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
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"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tjenkins99: Quote:
I don't care what you say. The rules are wrong! That may be, but they are the rules and, if you want to contribute, you're supposed to follow them. Whether or not you actually do, well, that's put to you. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | With or with - doesn't make a difference. Doesn't change the credit count in the CLT, and to me that is all that counts. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting tjenkins99:
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I don't care what you say. The rules are wrong!
That may be, but they are the rules and, if you want to contribute, you're supposed to follow them. Whether or not you actually do, well, that's put to you. I believe "with" IS following the capitalization rules and based on the poll, the majority of people agree. Unless Ken clarifies the issue for me the matter has been settled. I will contribute this data based on my understanding of the rules and highlight this thread to back my rationale. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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If we are not to use "proper capitalization" rules then the only words we should alter are words like "a", "of" , "the", "in". There is no rule concerning nouns, verbs, adverbs, adjectives, etc.
No, those, along with 'joining' words, are the ones you would not capitalize. Everything else would be capitalized, but still in mixed case. Where in the rules, does it tell us to alter from what is presented on the cover (short of the aforementioned words) Where does it tell us to use mixed case within the rules. The only inference we have is "The Matrix Reloaded" given by specific example. The is the only word included directly with in the rule, but apparently it would be improper to leave lower case the Noun and Verb in this title. So either we follow the rules to the letter, and not alter the title as presented, except for the aforementioned words, or we use standard capitalization, as is used for every other language. It would seem to be wrong to include "Proper" for everybody else except English speaking countries. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
I thought about it, and I'm With Kathy and the 32 users Who voted with should not be capitalized:
The title is Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs on IMDb. Let me put on my crystal ball here. Over the course of the next few days you're going to repeat this posting and simply exchange IMDb for Wikipedia, Blu-ray.com, The Movie Database and American Film Institute. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
I thought about it, and I'm With Kathy and the 32 users Who voted with should not be capitalized:
The title is Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs on IMDb. Now you've done it.... changes for this one are coming through from...  |
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