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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote: Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it. For me the addition of "or those associated with it" settles it. That too can mean stuff that isn't necessarily tied to the movie. I have several discs that include featurettes that are purely profiles on a certain actor, producer or director, which are not tied to, nor made to promote any one particular film. So even though they're not about the film they're accompanying, the rule still explicitly says they're "Featurettes". Even though it's not about the film itself, but merely about someone associated with the film. This is no different. It may not be about the film, but about an original song written for the film, so again something associated with it. As the rules clearly declare the former to be a "Featurette", I don't see how the same shouldn't apply here. Either we restrict the use of "Featurette" to be about the disc's main feature only, or we don't - but not a strange mix of things. Since the rules already explicitly allow "associated" material, I honestly don't see how this can be excluded. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: @DoubleDownAgain: "Regarding" and "related" are two different things. Thanks?? What about 'related'? I assume you missed that part of the rule? I threw the disc in and watched both the music video and the making of featurette... and guess what,??? The music video contains scenes of the movie. The making of featurette of the Music Video talks about the film itself, scenes from the movie, how it inspired the song, etc. If anyone says that the featurette isn't related to the movie they would be 100% wrong. There is a reason why they put this featurette on the disc, because it IS RELATED to the film. I can understand those that don't want it marked, but please don't ignore the rules just because you don't like them. Thanks! | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quote: Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it. For me the addition of "or those associated with it" settles it. That too can mean stuff that isn't necessarily tied to the movie. I have several discs that include featurettes that are purely profiles on a certain actor, producer or director, which are not tied to, nor made to promote any one particular film. So even though they're not about the film they're accompanying, the rule still explicitly says they're "Featurettes". Even though it's not about the film itself, but merely about someone associated with the film. This is no different. It may not be about the film, but about an original song written for the film, so again something associated with it. As the rules clearly declare the former to be a "Featurette", I don't see how the same shouldn't apply here. Either we restrict the use of "Featurette" to be about the disc's main feature only, or we don't - but not a strange mix of things. Since the rules already explicitly allow "associated" material, I honestly don't see how this can be excluded. Agreed. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: @DoubleDownAgain: "Regarding" and "related" are two different things.
Thanks?? What about 'related'? I assume you missed that part of the rule? No, you misread that part of the rule.. The rule uses the word 'regarding', not related. Regarding means about, related means connected. Per the rule, the documentary material must be about the film or those associated with it, not about something related to the film or those associated with it. Quote: I threw the disc in and watched both the music video and the making of featurette... and guess what,??? The music video contains scenes of the movie. The making of featurette of the Music Video talks about the film itself, scenes from the movie, how it inspired the song, etc. If anyone says that the featurette isn't related to the movie they would be 100% wrong. There is a reason why they put this featurette on the disc, because it IS RELATED to the film. Nobody is arguing that point, but the rule doesn't say 'related to the film', it says 'regarding the film'. Quote: I can understand those that don't want it marked, but please don't ignore the rules just because you don't like them. Thanks! Go back and read what the rule actually says, rather than what you think it says, then tell me if this statement still applies. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting DoubleDownAgain:
Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: @DoubleDownAgain: "Regarding" and "related" are two different things.
Thanks?? What about 'related'? I assume you missed that part of the rule? No, you misread that part of the rule.. The rule uses the word 'regarding', not related. Regarding means about, related means connected. Per the rule, the documentary material must be about the film or those associated with it, not about something related to the film or those associated with it.
Quote: I threw the disc in and watched both the music video and the making of featurette... and guess what,??? The music video contains scenes of the movie. The making of featurette of the Music Video talks about the film itself, scenes from the movie, how it inspired the song, etc. If anyone says that the featurette isn't related to the movie they would be 100% wrong. There is a reason why they put this featurette on the disc, because it IS RELATED to the film. Nobody is arguing that point, but the rule doesn't say 'related to the film', it says 'regarding the film'.
Quote: I can understand those that don't want it marked, but please don't ignore the rules just because you don't like them. Thanks! Go back and read what the rule actually says, rather than what you think it says, then tell me if this statement still applies. In my last post i mistakenly used the word related... But I meant associated. Are you really saying that the contents of the featurette aren't associated with the film? It talks about the film. It has clips of the film. How in the world can you not say that isn't associated with the film? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server | | | Last edited: by DoubleDownAgain |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: "Or those associated with it" means people associated with the film, not content associated with the film. That is ONE interpretation of the word. Even so, isn't a songwriter who's song is played in the movie not a person involved with the movie? I hate John Mayer as much as the next guy , but I am at a complete loss to anyone that says this featurette isn't associated with the movie. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server | | | Last edited: by DoubleDownAgain |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Once again: Quote: Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it. So it's any video documentary material regarding the film, and it's any video documentary material regarding those associated with the film. A "making of" featurette on the film's music video falls under the latter: it's video documentary material regarding those associated with the film. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Once again:
Quote: Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it. So it's any video documentary material regarding the film, and it's any video documentary material regarding those associated with the film. A "making of" featurette on the film's music video falls under the latter: it's video documentary material regarding those associated with the film. If the documentary were about the song writing process, like the documentary about the score for The Lord of the Rings, then I would agree. But the making of a music video for a song, that I don't agree with. Again, this is just my opinion and you are free to ignore it and check the box, just as I am free to ignore your opinion and not check the box. I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Unlike some people here, I am not going to go on a mission to remove all the checks that I don't agree with. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: "Or those associated with it" means people associated with the film, not content associated with the film.
That is ONE interpretation of the word. In the context of the sentence, that is the only logical interpretation of the word. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Once again:
Quote: Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it. So it's any video documentary material regarding the film, and it's any video documentary material regarding those associated with the film. A "making of" featurette on the film's music video falls under the latter: it's video documentary material regarding those associated with the film. If the documentary were about the song writing process, like the documentary about the score for The Lord of the Rings, then I would agree. But the making of a music video for a song, that I don't agree with.
Again, this is just my opinion and you are free to ignore it and check the box, just as I am free to ignore your opinion and not check the box. I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Unlike some people here, I am not going to go on a mission to remove all the checks that I don't agree with. :anxi ous: The song is in the movie. The making of the music video is a documentary material associated with the film, hence it is a featurrete by the definition of the rule. You are wrong, plain and simple. You of course you are free to your opinion. If you had the opinion that 2 + 2 = 5 it'd be your opinion, but you'd also be wrong. I couldn't care less if you agree with it or not, unless of course you are trying to get it into the database. I only responded to your post because you had already stated your opinion, but for some reason felt you had to state it again without adding anything else to the discussion. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server | | | Last edited: by DoubleDownAgain |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,685 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: The song is in the movie. The making of the music video is a documentary material associated with the film, hence it is a featurrete by the definition of the rule. But that's not what the rule says! Is it documentary material regarding the film? No. Is it documentary material regarding those associated with the film? No. Those are the only two criteria in the rules. If anyone is trying to make two plus two equal five, it's you. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: The song is in the movie. The making of the music video is a documentary material associated with the film, hence it is a featurrete by the definition of the rule. You are wrong, plain and simple. In your opinion. In my opinion, you are the one that is wrong, plain and simple. Quote: You of course you are free to your opinion. As are you. Quote: If you had the opinion that 2 + 2 = 5 it'd be your opinion, but you'd also be wrong. Of course I would, but the two examples aren't even close, but thanks for the hyperbole. Quote: I couldn't care less if you agree with it or not, unless of course you are trying to get it into the database. The number of times you have responded, and the fact that I already stated that I wasn't going to make any changes to existing profiles, seem to indicate otherwise. Quote: I only responded to your post because you had already stated your opinion, but for some reason felt you had to state it again without adding anything else to the discussion. And you have done something different? I think not. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | ASSOCIATED is the key word here. My apologies for using the wrong word, it just blurred the issue at hand. Let me take a step back and post the rule regarding featurettes. Quote: Any video documentary material regarding the film, or those associated with it. There are two factors for the featurette box to be ticked. [b]1) It is a video documentary? 2) Is the material regarding the film or associated with it?[/b] Now lets look if the featurette on this profile meets both of the criteria. 1) It is a video documentary? - Yes. undeniably. 2) Is the material regarding the film or associated with it? Is the material in the footage regarding the film? I'd say this portion is blurry, I can see how some might say no. But luckily the second part of it is crystal clear. Is the footage associated with the film? Yes, undeniably. It contains footage from and about the film, it was also made in conjunction of the film. How is the footage not associated with the film? Quoting GSyren: Quote: No. Is it documentary material regarding those associated with the film? No. Those are the only two criteria in the rules. If anyone is trying to make two plus two equal five, it's you. Did you watch the featurette in question? The song plays in the film, and it was written specifically for the film. He discusses writing the song, was he not involved in the making of the movie? Of course he was, hence he was associated with the film. I also think you are taking 'those' as meaning the people involved, those is the plural of that, when I look at it I take it as the film itself because it makes no mention of people, just the video documentary and film. Either way how you take it, it should be marked in this case at least. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | You are missing one important word in that... "or THOSE associated with it.
In other words is it a "Video documentary regarding the film, or the people associated with the film."
That is how I have always read that line of the rules.
Edit: I See you covered this in the last paragraph. Not sure why I didn't get that the first time I read it.
The reason I brought this up in the first place was not to find out if the Featurette check box should be checked for the featurette in question.... as it is already checked off for other Featurettes on the disc. What I basically wanted to know is since this featurette didn't seem to me to be regarding the film or those associated with it (questionable as seen by this thread)... if I should put this one in "Other Features." Or if it was already covered by the check box being checked already. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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