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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,289 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Kathy
Have you looked at your own behavior, dear. You are judgemental and self righteous in the extreme. God help you if you ever have to walk in my shoes, its not fun. You deride me for my typing skills, I get after martian for a nonsensical argument and that's an insult. Give me a break. I did not go after martian, I ent after what he said. The majority in this case means NOTHING. You present no rational argument. The majority vottes many times not against something as much as they do someone. I have not even said how or if I voted. Like a bunch of lemmings you conclude on your own and vote accordingly.
No one has attempted to present any rational argument. Not even ace trying to drag something in that has nothing to do with profiler. Grey at least asked a legitimate question and said he saw where I was coming from, he's the only one. Everyone else...stepford comes to mind Yes, I said I could see where you were coming from, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. You're saying because the film isn't another medium, 'Original Material By' is not used. But, as I said before, this would rule out virtually all sequels, prequels, remakes and anything based on an earlier film. This makes the 'Credited As' and the 'Notes' sections in the Rules table contradictory in this regard. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
You deride me for my typing skills
Everybody has an occasionally typo but it's as if you don't even try. It appears that you blindly type and hit submit without even quickly reviewing what you typed. I think Kathy has a point of it being an example of being discourteous, you know that your posts are riddled with typos but you just don't care. Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Like a bunch of lemmings you conclude on your own and vote accordingly.
Huh? If you are a lemming you follow along blindly, not 'conclude on your own' It appears you have quite the ego Skip. Thinking people disagree with you just to disagree with you. Maybe they disagree with you because they actually disagree with you. you are rude and confrontational, and u do so under the guise of you being righteous. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Grey
Omb is not the credit to use, that's what the rules say. Simple. PCB maybe doubtful. Created by likewise maybe but doubtful.
The credit says based on ELEMENTS. What are those elements, a spaceship, the space jockey, the face huggers and of course, the aliens. These I don't think qualify under our system today, a
custom role probably if it works you up that much. That's what I would do without question. It just falls outside our current system, and probably always will...unless ken allows for open credits.. it is the only such credit I have ever heard. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've always held that we should profile based on what credits mean, rather than exact words, which can mean different things in different contexts and always leads to unaccounted situations coming up where the rules insist on doing something that doesn't make a lot of sense. This is case in point. Determining what the credits mean means you have you to do research, not just transcription, which would be more work. However, with the rules being what they are now, this does count as OMB. Skip, you are usually the guy insisting we should follow the letter of the rules, even in situations where it leads to nonsensical results. This situation isn't terrible, just less than ideal. Why is this different? | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Lo Kathy. I haven't called anyone any sort of name. Unless you confuse a dumb comment with bring a personal attack. You however are another story with each personally insulting post you make. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok ace. I explained my thoughts. Now back yours up. And no outside definitions., please. Just deal with the data and why you think elements, non character at that, qualifies as omb. The rules don't allow for it, I can't change it. The only person that can make any change to allow for this entry, not me. Now perhaps created by or ocb, but I doubt it. This is amazing overthe only such credit in film, one out of thousands of film., and we HAVE to have one relatively insignificant piece of data at all cost, sounds odd.. I would love to havev it but I don't think we can without open creeds, and while I would like it because it would eliminate these kind of discussions and a lot of hatred. I don't think ken will go there. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Ok ace. I explained my thoughts. Now back yours up. Or not Ace. Skip has provided his input. Just as everyone else has. His vote counts as 1, same as mine, same as yours. It's this constant back and forth that leads to 10+ page threads. If people would just let Skip voice his opinion without without feeling the need to convince him or justify things to him, things would go much smoother. If *I* stepped in and disagreed like he does, I suspect it wouldn't generate much buzz at all. So let's stop giving him preferential treatment. We don't need Skip's, or anyone else's, approval before continuing with some of these things. He's welcome to agree, disagree or whatever. Same as anyone else. But trying to change his mind is a pointless exercise. Both because it won't happen. But also because he really doesn't deserve it. If I disagree with 90% of the respondents, I wouldn't expect things to be held up till I'm on board. I don't see why he deserves to be treated any differently than anyone else. Just my opinion. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | My apologies to the rest of the community for once again going off topic but I there are a few final things I need to get off my chest. Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Have you looked at your own behavior, dear. First off, do not address me as "dear" - I am not your "dear" and your use of it I find to be very condescending. I've gone though both of our posts many times over the years - I suggest you do the same. I am quite comfortable with how I've interacted with others and that includes my comments to you. Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
The majority in this case means NOTHING. Your opinion carries no more weight than anyone else. You don't seem to understand that but that is your problem not ours. Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
No one has attempted to present any rational argument. Why don't you go back and re-read the posts because I see several compelling arguments - but they disagree with your stance. Nothing you have posted so far makes me feel your stance is correct. Maybe it is because it is that "You present no rational argument." Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mark
I like to debate things, sometimes someone will come up with something I overlooked or hadn't even thought of. So far I have seen nothing of the sort in this topic. What I actually see is peoplts andents because they can't really argue thepoints made. It's too bad. Mark why do you think Dan and I spent nearly two years discussing the concepts behind the rules. Becauswedebated everything til we were both comfortable with the concepts.
I like nothing more than a discussion and debate with well thought ideas. Those are healthy and fun. I challenge someone to engage me in a discussion who knows, I can be persuaded. But not by lame references to another medium because a screenplay is written, or referencing some outside source that has nothing to do with profiler. I deal with the rules and the data, that is all you have seen me talk about rules and data.
In this case the data does not lend itself to omb under the rules. Now somebody try and change that opinion, I'm game if you are. I have no problem saying cool, good arguments | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: June 15, 2012 |  Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Role Original Material By
Credited As Original Material By, Based on ____ By
Incorrect Roles Based on Characters By
Notes Adapted from another medium.
element(s) a component or constituent of a whole or one of the parts into which a whole may be resolved by analysis
medium An agency by which something is accomplished, conveyed, or transferred
"Based on elements created by Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett" (Alien - original material)
Supposition:
Fulfills credited as role - yes
"elements" as a descriptive title - yes, as the components/parts of the original resolved into the whole of Prometheus.
"medium" - a word with many connotations, still the original Alien is a medium from which parts were conveyed/transferred into Prometheus.
Looks like all "yes" to me. What's your problem? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy
I have yet to see a compelling argument, would like to. Anytime on any topic.
Parsec
You present an interesting. But I do see some weakness, let me cogitate an answer. That is a compliment to you fyi. I want to be sure to offer the counter properly. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | These pointless posts are going to have to go, or we will be forced to take admin actions. In related news, based on the information posted here, OMB is appropriate for this credit. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
These pointless posts are going to have to go, or we will be forced to take admin actions. In related news, based on the information posted here, OMB is appropriate for this credit. Thanks Ken.  In related news, would it be possible to get rid of the 'note' for the OMB credit? In my opinion, that would go a long way in solving this particular issue. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
These pointless posts are going to have to go, or we will be forced to take admin actions. In related news, based on the information posted here, OMB is appropriate for this credit. Damn I was wrong. |
| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
In related news, would it be possible to get rid of the 'note' for the OMB credit? In my opinion, that would go a long way in solving this particular issue. This. There seems little point in making these 'decision' posts if you're not going to clear up the actual wording of the rules.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thank you ken. I font think I agree, unless you remove the other medium note. But its fine. If you remove that note, no question in the future or now. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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