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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsamuelrichardscott
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I voted a 2.

Technical support via tickets is okay, but forum support, and actually settling debates in non-existent.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorateo357
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I think the on-line database is more important than my personal database.

Perhaps you should be on the payroll.

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No one would want that. Just ask the people that work under me. Screw up, they get a second chance. Screw up again they get a pink slip.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKulju
Registered: March 14, 2007
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And I'm sure that a great majority of those downloaders want exact and usable data. They probably do not expect to have to search with "()" to find "Nymphomaniac" data.

If you want exact, and therefore usable data why would you want to make up a new non-existent name for Nymph()maniac? That's the original title for that movie as it is in opening credits. At least Lars von Trier hasn't directed a movie called Nymphomaniac. There might be others though.
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As a former intense (or rabid!  ) contributor I can say that from my perspective the endless debates about the rules in the forum became incredibly tiresome.
It took almost every iota of joy out of the contribution process. It became such a chore having to hunt through the forum for decisions on this or that, or birth years, or common names etc etc.

Eventually, I'd just had enough and decided that I would adopt the approach of many other users and just stop. Nowadays, I might do 1 to 3 contributions a week; whereas it used to be a minimum of that a DAY. I also rarely vote on other contributions.

I've literally lost the will to care.

Maybe if Invelos had resolved issues and updated the rules on a regular basis then I might still want to contribute to the database. As it stands I just don't see the point.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDoubleDownAgain
I see better with 'em on
Registered: March 13, 2007
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At the time of this posting, the average score was 4.44, and that includes the 4 votes for '10 - Perfect'.

Below is the interaction of the Invelos Staff in the contributions that I am aware of... but please know I used Invelos search function to find them, so if there are more, please let me know and I'll update the post accordingly.  Ken Cole, Gerri Cole & Forum Moderator.  The results truly speak for themselves.  The fact that this thread wasn't responded to only adds to it.

Unfortunately Invelos doesn't allow the option to see who voted for what.  But I am truly curious why anyone who voted Average or above?  If you voted 5 or above I'd love to hear your explanation or reasoning.  4 posts within a year is not average. 

Within the last year, Ken has posted 3 times in the last calendar year within the Contribution Forum.

Two came from one thread, and only one was a response to a concern.  The other provided info on AR.

Problem with Recent Contribution
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Tested this profile and am able to add it via PC, Android, and iOS, including images.  Possibly it is a caching issue, try rebooting the device in question, or try removing and adding the entry again.


2.4 vs 2.40
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Changed the wording: "Use the Ratio drop down list/edit box to enter the aspect ratio of the main feature."  Hope this clarifies things.


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While we're on the subject of aspect ratio, here's a nice primer on the history I came across today:

http://gizmodo.com/how-aspect-ratios-have-changed-over-time-because-of-mov-592442723


Within the last year, Forum Moderator has posted 1 time in the last calendar year within the Contribution Forum.

Invalid UPC - can't contribute

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If you have the iOS or Android versions, or another way to scan the barcode, try that. Frequently with misprints, the barcode is actually correct and will read a different number than what's printed below it.


Within the last year, Gerri Cole has posted 0 times in the last calendar year within the Contribution Forum.
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And also FWIW, no posts were made by any of the above in the DVD Profiler: Contribution Rules Committee
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDoubleDownAgain
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So I am VERY curious to here from anyone that voted '5 - Average' or above.  I'd love to hear why you think they provided that level of service.  Did I miss some posts?  Or some other interaction that provided some value? 

I'm pretty sure I spent more time looking for their posts than they did making them. 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Registered: May 19, 2007
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Why I think that the "Invelos Support Towards the Contribution Community" is adequate?
Easy:

1) They provide us with the online-capabilities we need to contribute.
2) They provide us with a set of rules that tell us what to contribute.

In my experience most "problems" with the contribution rules arise from people that don't agree with the rules and try to get "personal preferences" accepted (and/or vote "No" on contributions that correct data based on "Personal Preferences"). But, in fact, this is not exactly a problem of the rules, but a problem the contributor has with the rules.

I don't see any reason for Invelos to intervene in any discussion.
If they see the need for clarification all that needs to be done is a rule-update.
The fact that this isn't done too often just tells me that Invelos considers the rules to be OK as they are.

Thinking of discussions like the notorious with/With- or the "Is a Blu-ray 3D a Blu-Ray" thread (which normal thinking persons have severe difficulties to read without either laughing out loud or sinking in deep despair), I feel inclined to say:
WTF are we expecting Invelos to do if we dare to bring babies-farts into this forums? Expect the grown-ups to decide which one smells better?
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
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Why I think that the "Invelos Support Towards the Contribution Community" is adequate?
Easy:

1) They provide us with the online-capabilities we need to contribute.
2) They provide us with a set of rules that tell us what to contribute.

Exactly, plus I'd add that they provide us with the ability to vote and comment on the contributions of others.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWigram
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Thinking of discussions like the notorious with/With- or the "Is a Blu-ray 3D a Blu-Ray" thread (which normal thinking persons have severe difficulties to read without either laughing out loud or sinking in deep despair...


I am sure there are many things that interest you but that I find futile. It does not make me think you lack intelligence, though.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Thinking of discussions like the notorious with/With- or the "Is a Blu-ray 3D a Blu-Ray" thread (which normal thinking persons have severe difficulties to read without either laughing out loud or sinking in deep despair...


I am sure there are many things that interest you but that I find futile. It does not make me think you lack intelligence, though.


I (hopefully) didn't suggest that those participating in these and other threads (and I had (and will have) my fair share of participations in unnecessary threads too) lack intelligence. It's just that the energy put into such threads is much better spent solving the real problems of the database, which, as we hopefully agree, is neither the capitalzation of titles, nor the aforementioned media-type question.

And Yes, I admit, that on topics that I am interested in I not necessarily can be counted to those admirable "normal thinking persons".
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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It's just that the energy put into such threads is much better spent solving the real problems of the database...

I know people trying to solve real problems of the database, but then you are active only to ask these  people to shut up about those problems ...

I do not think you need PM to see what I mean... 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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I know people trying to solve real problems of the database, but then you are active only to ask these  people to shut up about those problems ...


<<Sigh>>
You know surfeur,
there is a difference between solving problems and pointing out an (possibly even only imaginary) problem for the umptienth time in any remotely related thread.

I'm quite sure that any participant of this forums has now taken notice of your point, some agree, some don't, strangely everyone (even me) would admit that you have a point (I just don't agree on your approach to solve the problem). But please give it a rest.
And this is NOT a "shut up", but simply a "we all understood your point" and repeating it ad nauseam doesn't actually strengthen your position, but weakens it.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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I'm quite sure that any participant of this forums has now taken notice of your point.

What is funny is to see new contributions of new movies (so with no "IMDb mined" old data) contributed respecting correct spelling, just because contributors probably do not know that somewhere in the forum, several years ago, Ken requested to add spelling mistakes, and never modified rules for that.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributoreommen
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Well, the poll is about Invelos support to the Contribution community (bold by me).

I agree with Lewis_Prothero that Invelos does a lot of things right. And there are a lot of forum threads that do not need intervention -- mostly for the reasons he also stated with no offence intended to someone making any post in any thread. As with all fora on the internet, in the details we do not all share the exact same interests and some threads provide good entertainment for some, serious involvement from others, etc.

Surfeur is IMHO right in many respects regarding especially name spelling, as the French language and name conventions heavily depend on accented characters to ensure proper pronunciation. Ignoring correct spelling on purpose is some sort of offense over there. If some other languages like that (I am thinking some Eastern European ones) would have a more populated user base we'd see more on that. But also, T!M is right about some rulings made -- in the name spelling case also because it is impossible to know sensitivities from other language cultures. It is hard to resolve satisfying everybody. Anybody interested in the most correct spelling of names should look into the release of the appropriate language locale -- even though there is a lot of profile data being copied across locales -- for better or worse.

That said, THIS thread isn't about name spelling rules or forum interventions or version management communication (though a thread on the latter triggered the poll). What do we consider to be "essentials" of the service we expect from Invelos, what is, within reason, "desirable"? Apart from LewisP's post, I see few enter that discussion.

If the essential support parts are not agreed upon, any rating given --with whatever well meant intentions-- will be useless.

Finally, I do think it boils down to the fact we're basically asking for some tangible form of attention. It is like being project manager, or department head. Everybody  else may be doing the actually required work, but that project manager is the figurehead and must show presence to confirm the importance of the job done...
Eric

If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak.
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Final result, on a scale from 0 to 10 "Invelos support towards the contribution community" has been rated 4.69 (arithmetic mean). Average.

On a scale from 0 to 10, I rate "Invelos products and services" 9.49 (cost-benefit analysis). Outstanding.
Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect]
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