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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
These child profiles, which are single discs, not sets of discs, do NOT have their own case. Technically speaking, no TV Series child profile has "its own case", since these profiles are optional and everything in the Set belongs to the parent. So what's your point? My point is that these discs are in a case (Well maybe not. Apparently they are caseless.), and the cover on their case is different than the cover on the parent. --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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These child profiles, which are single discs, not sets of discs, do NOT have their own case.
Technically speaking, no TV Series child profile has "its own disc", since these profiles are optional and everything in the Set belongs to the parent.
So what's your point? While they are optional, they do have rules, so the same question applies...what's your point? Quote:
My point is that these discs are in a case (Well maybe not. Apparently they are caseless.), and the cover on their case is different than the cover on the parent. I'm sorry, but the rules don't support that point. The only time the cover on their case is different than the cover on the parent is if they are in multiple cases. If they all share a single case, they follow the standard rules and use the same cover as the parent. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
The only time the cover on their case is different than the cover on the parent is if they are in multiple cases. Please provide me with the text of the rule that states this. Quote:
If they all share a single case, they follow the standard rules and use the same cover as the parent. No, TV Series explicitly don't follow the standard rules when it comes to covers: Quote:
Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | So let me see if I understand this correctly. If there is only one case that holds 4 disc, and that case happens to have a slipcover, you want to ignore the slipcover because you consider that to be a different case?
I am honestly at a loss here because that makes absolutely no sense to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
So let me see if I understand this correctly. If there is only one case that holds 4 disc, and that case happens to have a slipcover, you want to ignore the slipcover because you consider that to be a different case? The slipcover would not be ignored, it would be assigned to the parent profile. I don't know why you think I've suggested that it be ignored. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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So let me see if I understand this correctly. If there is only one case that holds 4 disc, and that case happens to have a slipcover, you want to ignore the slipcover because you consider that to be a different case?
The slipcover would not be ignored, it would be assigned to the parent profile. I don't know why you think I've suggested that it be ignored. That's a very weird interpretation of the rules and I've never seen anyone contribute it like that. Many TV shows nowadays are a simple keep case holding three (sitcoms) to six (dramas) discs. Many of them have a slip cover and the child profiles for each disc has the same cover scan and case type properties than the parents. It's also the most economic decision. Why bother scanning the keep case again if there are only minute changes between the KC inlay and the SC cover? I always (and apparently anyone I've ever seen contributing these sections) interpreted this part of the rule as reading "if the children are in more than one case", for example Season:  Disc 1 & 2:  Disc 3 & 4:  But not to cases (no pun intended) like this:   | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,684 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with DJ Doena, and I believe that if this is truly what the OP asked about, then many of those who have voted on the poll have not understood the question. I know I didn't, so I didn't vote. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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So let me see if I understand this correctly. If there is only one case that holds 4 disc, and that case happens to have a slipcover, you want to ignore the slipcover because you consider that to be a different case?
The slipcover would not be ignored, it would be assigned to the parent profile. I don't know why you think I've suggested that it be ignored.
--------------- probably because this entire discussion has been about the scans for the child profiles and you just stated, yet again, that the slipcover would be ignored for those scans. Did I reall have to spell it out? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
I always (and apparently anyone I've ever seen contributing these sections) interpreted this part of the rule as reading "if the children are in more than one case" The problem is the rules say nothing of the kind, but I agree that many people seem to feel as though it does. If you have four discs in two keep cases or in one keep case what's the difference? The keep case(s) either "belong" to the discs or not. The rule literally says nothing about numbers. --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
The problem is the rules say nothing of the kind, but I agree that many people seem to feel as though it does. Neither do the rules say you can ignore the slipcase, for the child profiles, if there is more than one disc in the case. Quote:
If you have four discs in two keep cases or in one keep case what's the difference? The keep case(s) either "belong" to the discs or not. The rule literally says nothing about numbers. Let me try a different tact. If it was a single disc, inside a keep case, inside of a slip case, you would scan the slip case. Why then, if the rule literally says nothing about numbers, are you treating this differently based on the number of discs? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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These child profiles, which are single discs, not sets of discs, do NOT have their own case.
Technically speaking, no TV Series child profile has "its own case", since these profiles are optional and everything in the Set belongs to the parent.
So what's your point?
My point is that these discs are in a case (Well maybe not. Apparently they are caseless.), and the cover on their case is different than the cover on the parent.
--------------- That's not true at all. I have owned several TV Seasons which had an outer box for the season, and then individual keepcases for the discs, or sometimes a subset of the discs. In those cases, the rule you are trying to apply would be appropriate BECAUSE each disc actually has a DIFFERENT image. That is the purpose of the rule you are quoting. It was meant to be used ONLY when there are different cover images associated with different discs in the season set. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Neither do the rules say you can ignore the slipcase, for the child profiles, if there is more than one disc in the case. But it does. It says we DO NOT FOLLOW the standard rules for covers when it's a TV Series disc-level profile. Quote:
Let me try a different tact. If it was a single disc, inside a keep case, inside of a slip case, you would scan the slip case. Why then, if the rule literally says nothing about numbers, are you treating this differently based on the number of discs? Because there wouldn't even be a disc-level profile for the situation you describe. Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I have owned several TV Seasons which had an outer box for the season, and then individual keepcases for the discs, or sometimes a subset of the discs. In those cases, the rule you are trying to apply would be appropriate BECAUSE each disc actually has a DIFFERENT image. That is the purpose of the rule you are quoting. It was meant to be used ONLY when there are different cover images associated with different discs in the season set. If two discs share the same Thinpack case (a common occurrence) they would still share images, so your example doesn't support your notion that "each disc actually has a DIFFERENT image". It's painfully obvious to me that intent of the rules makes no difference. Or do you have another explanation for the proliferation of group headers being used for song titles? The text of the rule is what we must go by, not some ambiguous "intent". --------------- |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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I have owned several TV Seasons which had an outer box for the season, and then individual keepcases for the discs, or sometimes a subset of the discs. In those cases, the rule you are trying to apply would be appropriate BECAUSE each disc actually has a DIFFERENT image. That is the purpose of the rule you are quoting. It was meant to be used ONLY when there are different cover images associated with different discs in the season set.
If two discs share the same Thinpack case (a common occurrence) they would still share images, so your example doesn't support your notion that "each disc actually has a DIFFERENT image".
I did not say each and every disc had to have it's own image, and neither do the rules. But I think you already know that. The rules do matter. That's why the contribution in question needs to be approved. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I did not say each and every disc had to have it's own image, and neither do the rules. But I think you already know that. I've never suggested that the rules require different cover images for each disc. They are to use the cover art from their case. If discs share a case they share cover art. Quote:
The rules do matter. That's why the contribution in question needs to be approved. Yes they do matter, which is why these contributions need to be declined. One of the reasons is that these contribution notes have no relevance to the changes being made. They are (intentionally or not) deceptive and incorrect. They refer to a section of the rules that apply to feature Box Sets and not to TV Series individual season sets. And as The Rules say: Quote:
Contribution Notes provide an explanation of your changes to other DVD Profiler users and Invelos for voting and deciding whether to accept your contribution, so make your notes useful and descriptive. Beyond that, it's a matter of opinion as to whether the actual changes are correct per the TV Series Disc-Level Profile rules or not. I believe not. --------------- |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Yes they do matter, which is why these contributions need to be declined. One of the reasons is that these contribution notes have no relevance to the changes being made. They are (intentionally or not) deceptive and incorrect. They refer to a section of the rules that apply to feature Box Sets and not to TV Series individual season sets. ... For sure, the box set rules are valid for TV series too. The chapter TV Series only clarifies the other rules and defines exceptions... But all the standard rules are valid! In this case the exception is worded: Quote:
Cover Images: If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. If I treat the IF as logical operator - and I'd refuse any other in a rule set - then there is a (not written) else clause: ELSE the standarad rules apply... With this in mind the only question is, if the IF condition evaluates true or false. - In our example ist obviously false. If it would be true, it would be true for every box set (every disc is packaged in anything) and therefore senseless. So the only way to interpret this IF is, to differentiate the case where discs or group of discs are separated from each other by additional packaging - this is simply not the case here... Therefore the contribution is correct. Not to tell, that the cover images of the parrent profiles are prettier  | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here is a picture of Bonanza Seaon Three. There were two keep cases bound together by a slipcover. Please answer the following questions.  1. Do the discs of volume 1, and the discs of volume 2, each have their own case? 2. If all the discs had been packaged in one keep case would they each have their own case? --------------- |
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