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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | What is the REAL solution, Tim, that is assuming you want a real solution. The REAL answer is an Open Crew listings which allows us to list what we see On the Screen instead of trying to sort these silly definitions which continually lead to idsagreements and hard feelings.
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You can do all the polls you want, it won't change my opinion under the CURRENT rules and polls are NOT rules. Yes, we have all seen how you deal with "democracy" right here - 78 users agree with me, but you stick with your no-vote... Mind you: I absolutely agree that a poll doesn't equal a rule, but in this particular case it's obvious what the majority wants, and once again there's not an ounce of back-up for your preference to be found in the rules. Being a bit more graceful about it would be nice... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am not confused on this at all, Tim. From my viewpoint your definitioin is plain flat WRONG as I have spelled out the precise reasons why I believe that. You are not going to convince me the way you are arguing that you are correct, quite the contrary you only harden my position. You cannot isolate the Theme on any basis for this particular title. As I said there are some that conceivably could be but they are few and far between and involves a very narrow definition, for which there is some logic.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
What is the REAL solution, Tim, that is assuming you want a real solution. The REAL answer is an Open Crew listings which allows us to list what we see On the Screen instead of trying to sort these silly definitions which continually lead to idsagreements and hard feelings. The REAL solution is that we credit composers as composers, and "theme" writers as song writers. IMHO, that's what the rules instruct us to do, but you refuse to see it. Read this tread again, if you're at all interested. But at the very least, it should be obvious to you that Mike Post was NEVER a "composer" on 'Columbo', and that he therefore shouldn't get a joint composer credit together with the actual composer(s). |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
as I have spelled out the precise reasons why I believe that. That's what I've been trying to tell you all along: you're arguing based on what you BELIEVE, I'm arguing based on what's in the RULES. Once again: look at the screenshots in my original post, and then at the rules:  Do you honestly feel it's correct to award Mike Post a joint "composer" credit based on the RULES, instead of basing it on what you BELIEVE? I'll start your deliberations off with a very easy question: Is Mike Post credited with one of the four acceptable job descriptions in the third column? Yes or no? I'll help you: From the opening credits:  From the closing credits:  The answer: a big fat NO - not even anything close. It's clear to me what your preference is, but that's not what's in the rules. As such, your no-vote remains a blatant violation of the rules. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim, the same could be said to you. I won't describe the picture that came that came to minfd when I saw your Contribution. I disagree with you, plain and simple, and I think you need to study democracy a little bit. It does not mean that I have no right to my opinion or to follow the Rules as they are today, not does it mean you are allowed to make insinuation which are non-factual, insulting and demeaning, it does mean you CAN have your opinion and we can discuss said opinion. This program is also NOT a democracy, Ken and Gerri rule the roost, and as such they can determine that the 78 Yes votes are wrong, I have seen such on some Covers. I have even seen Unanimous votes on the order of 30-0 or 40-0 get declined. Do I whine about it, no I MIGHT recontribute with added notes and detail...I might not...it depends on how I feel about that profile and just how important the data I am Contributing is. Just because a majority of users think something should be so, doesn't mean it will be...that depends on how it fits into Ken's plans for the Program or as in the case of Crew data itself it may take a long time to see it implemented. So if you want instant gratification...forget that.  I learned that long ago. As I said the REAL answer to all of these discussions is Open Crew despite the can of worms it would open. So get behind it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are arguing based on your interpretation and I am arguing based on mine, simple, Tim.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mike Post absolutely does fit the definition. He wrote Music that is Original to the show, he did not write any words, he is therefore not a Song Writer. A Composer writes Music, he did that AND it is ORIGINAL to the show therefore he is a composer. I see nothing to that defines exactly what consists of the show's scoire, and by my definition the show is not the show with that signature piece of music thus making it part of the score.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You are arguing based on your interpretation and I am arguing based on mine, simple, Tim. Wrong: I'm following the rules, you're violating them, that's all. Please answer my question: Is Mike Post credited with one of the four acceptable job descriptions in the third column of the rules on the "composer" credit? Or even anything close? Yes or no? The bottom line is if his credit doesn't fit the list of acceptable job descriptions for "composer", we can't give him that credit. Can't you see that from that point on, anything else you've said is a personal preference? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Your opinion nothing more, Tim. get over it and your accusations relative to my opinion do not get a positive reaction. I am as entitled to my opinion as you are, SIR. Get it. Good.  The force of your argument is not strong enough to persuade me so you resort to accusations and both an insulting attitude and comments. Good. I have even go so far as to explain what the real solution is and I urge you and evey other user to join in that call. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And as for your view of the Song Writer issue. Twice you have tried that argument and TWICE you have been declined. Gerri has spoken. Give it up. No words, no song.
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| Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | WOW!!!! Major deja vus!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a) You're Breaking the rules!
b) You're breaking the rules!
a) No, you are!!!
b) No, you are!!!
a) You are!!!
b) You are!!!
a) You!!!
b) You!!!
a & b (in unison)
MOMMMMMYYYYYY!!!!!! | | | | Dan |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I am as entitled to my opinion as you are, SIR. Obviously you are - in your local database. But if your opinion clashes with the rules, you can NOT vote against the rules. And that's exactly what you're doing. Since you keep repeating yourself, so will I: Is Mike Post credited with one of the four acceptable job descriptions in the third column of the rules on the "composer" credit? Is he? Yes or no?I haven't gotten an answer on that yet - and I can sure see why... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | How many time do I have to answer your question, Tim? I have answered it and explained why. You disagree..great. You are not going to change my mind based on what you have put forth thus far.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Give it up, Tim. You do not have to convince me/us and Walt Disney is already dead. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| | Posted: | | | | I am going to use a very dirty word here. Look up Mike Post in the IMDB  Here is an example: Columbo: Columbo Goes to the Guillotine (1989) (TV) (composer: theme "Mystery Movie Theme") I have to agree with Skip on this one. A theme is part of the score. If it is original, the composer should get a composer credit. I also fail to see how this is not compliant with the rules. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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