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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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While I personally agree with you, I can see it from Ken's perspective. He's running a business that caters to people from all over the world. Some countries have stricter rules regarding this sort of subject matter. I personally think he's done his best to accommodate those who do have those in their collection. The only slight 'improvement' I can think of is to allow them in the recent purchases but give users an extra option in their control panels to show/hide them.

Like Alien, I've got the ability to remove the signatures but not everyone can & since they're outside of Invelos' authority, we can't pick and choose what's visible there. In that situation it's not as simple as "Don't look at it!" as it's on all of that user's posts.

The problem is: Where to draw the line??
If I disallow nudity to be shown, where does nudity start?
In China naked feet are considered to be obscene, in Kuwait it's already obscene if you can see any part of a female's skin.
So, because DVDProfiler is an internationally used software, let's use the lowest common denominator, I'd suggest the neat little "Picture Not Available" and for making it less offensive to the "Non-Native-English-Speakers" the text should be localized automatically.

The probably easier way for Ken would be to shut down the Online-Collection and disallow HTML in the forum. Circle closed, back to post 1 please.

EDIT: Regarding the pics in AESP-Pres' signature: They are so small, you'd really have to take a very close look to even realize that they show adult content ... But even this can be blocked, provided you're using a Firewall that deserves this name ("Block External Content" or similar (depending on the Firewall you use))
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Don't get me wrong, I fully support adult movies, but I don't think Profiler is the place to be showing off the latest purchases and images. If it were adult dvdprofiler (not unlike dvdtalk and adult dvdtalk), it would be different.

Sorry,
I see it exactly the other way (and I don't even own a single porn DVD).
This is DVDProfiler and not Only-The-DVDs-I-Consider-To-Be-Political-Correct-Profiler.

There are many DVDs that have content which I consider to be highly annoying (This starts with the latest "Pilates for Beginners" and ends with some racistic content), but for not having to see this, there's quite an easy solution:
Don't look at it!



I agree. I have never found any of Jimmy's DVDs offensive. It is a shame to lose any members and the community lost another valuable member. I can only hope he (and others) will reconsider their stance.

I have always found it interesting that there isn't a problem when the human body is bloody or mutilated. But, shown in even a slightly provocative way...outrage.

If someone does find someone's collection objectionable, there are ways to prevent that from being shown on their computer. Invelos has the capability of removing users signitures now - just block that user.
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I have always found it interesting that there isn't a problem when the human body is bloody or mutilated. But, shown in even a slightly provocative way...outrage.


Whether it's right or wrong, it's the way society currently views it.

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Invelos has the capability of removing users signitures now - just block that user.


That's not really an option if you want to know what that person is saying! However, it does raise an option of disabling signatures, again on a per user, user level. Most forums have that ability.
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But I wouldn't want to disable all signatures  so that isn't really an option either ..
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorArdos
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Sorry, I meant on a per user, user level basis. Edited my last post for clarity. If we can block a users posts, hopefully we could also have the option of only blocking their signature. That should help to keep both sides happy.
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Don't get me wrong, I fully support adult movies, but I don't think Profiler is the place to be showing off the latest purchases and images. If it were adult dvdprofiler (not unlike dvdtalk and adult dvdtalk), it would be different.

Sorry,
I see it exactly the other way (and I don't even own a single porn DVD).
This is DVDProfiler and not Only-The-DVDs-I-Consider-To-Be-Political-Correct-Profiler.

There are many DVDs that have content which I consider to be highly annoying (This starts with the latest "Pilates for Beginners" and ends with some racistic content), but for not having to see this, there's quite an easy solution:
Don't look at it!


I think you missed my point. I even stated that I do not have a problem with it. Not in the least. I don't care what I see at home, it doesn't offend me.

But publicly (be it work or a library or a coffee shop) it could lead to an issue that I just don't feel like dealing with.

Is nudity overly frowned upon in the States? Yes, absolutely, but that's the way it is. And regarding the sig:

[quote]They are so small, you'd really have to take a very close look to even realize that they show adult content ... [/quote]

No, not really. My settings on my monitors at both work and home is 1280x1050 and I can still very easily see what's on the cover and read the titles with 0 problem. And, like I said, no big deal because I block the banner at work. Problem solved. But, also, like Forget said, not everyone has that option. Kathy's idea of blocking sigs at forum level is a great one. Everyone wins.

Like I said, I personally don't have any problems whatsoever with AESP's collection. None. I even own some of them myself. But don't mistake my support of Invelos not allowing the images publicly for being against them, because I'm not.

Forget_the_Rest said it best:

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Whether it's right or wrong, it's the way society currently views it.
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But is kow-towing to their puritanical standards really the best way to go?
I mean we're not talking about sexually explicit images here, just a bit of skin - about the same amount you'd see on the average beach in Europe.
I would say it's more important to make people face their prejudices, and realise how daft they are. Brushing it under the carpet means things will never change.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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Just want to add about my banner contents. I don't know if some had remarked but I really try to not put anything offensive in it. When a dvd cover is too graphic, I always change it to have a screen capture with the title or the theatrical poster. So I'm able to adapt myself to certain situation. But seriously if someone find anything shocking or offensive in my actual banner I don't understand... OK maybe the cover for "Her Name Was Lisa" could be for some, but it's a painting and this isn't that different than what any kids can see in a museum (I suppose they aren't different whatever they are in the US or the Province of Quebec).

BTW it's pleasant to have a mature and polite discussion on this subject
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorwidescreenforever
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you are being very family friendly ... 
In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.

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I'm more offended by the Mother of Tears cover! (terrible film)       
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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It isn't for nothing if I've waited 2 years for watching it. Think that I bought the region 2 dvd while he was always shown in theatre here to see it first

You're right it's a poor conclusion for a good trilogy, way too graphic and bland for a Dario Argento's films. Except for the performance of Asia Argento it was a big deception (of course this dvd is the worst released of this film, but I doubt that a good dvd would change anything).
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(I'm going to mix up your quote to answer this)

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I mean we're not talking about sexually explicit images here, just a bit of skin - about the same amount you'd see on the average beach in Europe.
I would say it's more important to make people face their prejudices, and realise how daft they are. Brushing it under the carpet means things will never change.


I agree with you here. I love the adult and grindhouse covers of the '70s and early '80s. It is silly that a bit of skin will get you in trouble, but realistically, there's a difference between seeing a picture of a woman walking down the beach in a bikini and a woman being all sexy on some prison bars. Two different contexts.

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But is kow-towing to their puritanical standards really the best way to go?


When it comes to employment or getting booted out of or arguing in a public place, yes. As far as public places, they are considered 'private property' in my state, so they have the right to kick you out if they so chose. Do I like it? No. Do I care enough about it to picket my favorite coffee shop because they would probably prefer I don't look at sexy photos that children can see while I'm there? No.

And as far as employment, work environments are so PC now-a-days, breathing heavy could get you a trip to HR.

(However, that works both ways. I don't like seeing Jesus crap on emails sent to me at work, as I'm sure people don't want to see hotness on my monitor.)
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As far as public places, they are considered 'private property' in my state, so they have the right to kick you out if they so chose.


This reminded me of something I thought of earlier. This new "family friendly" Invelos seemed (to me anyway) to coincide with the Coles moving house. Is it possible all these restrictions are because Ken now has to conform with a different state's stricter law?
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And as far as employment, work environments are so PC now-a-days, breathing heavy could get you a trip to HR.


I'm glad we don't have an HR.  Everyone in our shop would get fired.  I think our shop may be the last bastion of political incorrectness in the workplace.  I try tell my fun stories and jokes from work to my friends, and one of them says our shop is rife with sexual harassment - I try to tell her it's all in good fun and we all give as good as we get, but I don't think she gets it.

(God I wish my job paid better, because the paycheck is the only thing that makes me sometimes want to look for a new job.)

On topic, first - glad you're back AESP!

Second - I understand exactly how you feel.  I left another forum/hobby that I was involved in because of the treatment of adult material there - which seemed to me to be completely arbitrary and was 'it's adult if I say it's adult' from the owner.  I actually feel like there's a better definition over here - not to mention more interesting people to talk to.

I guess in a way I understand where the other owner was coming from, as a large portion of the forum/site visitors were teens, but I just got tired of feeling like some red-headed stepchild relegated to a corner somewhere.
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On topic, first - glad you're back AESP!

Thanks! What can I say even with its flaws I like this place 

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Second - I understand exactly how you feel.  I left another forum/hobby that I was involved in because of the treatment of adult material there (...)

That's why I've started my blog. I'm the boss and I decide what is ok to post, if a kid read it or see naked people this isn't my problem since it countains a warning... of course I know it won't prevent anybody to enter anyway 
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And as far as employment, work environments are so PC now-a-days, breathing heavy could get you a trip to HR.


I'm glad we don't have an HR.  Everyone in our shop would get fired. 


According to my best friend, you need a lobotomy first to be allowed to work in HR. And going by my own experiences with the HR departments in every single place I've worked , she's probably right. Never saw such concentrations of incompetence in my life.       

Welcome back, Jimmy. And while I'm at it, welcome back northbloke, too! 
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