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| Registered: July 15, 2007 |  Posts: 159 |
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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dvdjon: Quote:
and I will report you for continous off topic posts in every post skips in.
Jeez give it a rest. I second that...  | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dvdjon: Quote:
Actually a good idea, bot how big a percentage of the users do actually go in these forums on a dayly basis?
If that is 2% the minjority would decide over the majority that maybye do not even know there is a forum here that is active.
If a vote is to be used every single user has to get the possibility to vote. Maybe via mail or something.
This voting process could be used in typically title discussion (EPISODE anyone).
Actually the voting process on changes isent excactly videly advertised either. and wouldent that be the same as voting on the change itself. That's why I thought that it should go through polling (for maybe a week, say) before the change is even submitted. That gives the change two runs through a voting system before the screeners even see it, and give as many people as possible time to see it. If it's a popular system, and is endorsed by Ken or Gerri, maybe he could alter the voting page to allow people to see when there is a poll being run on a particular profile, but that's a long way down the road. @Hal, I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but if you mean we add the exceptions to the rules, I'm not sure I'd like that as the rules could become extremely long-winded very quickly. That's why I thought it best kept in the contribution notes for each profile and keep the rules clear. |
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| Registered: July 15, 2007 | | Posts: 159 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | Jon has recently watched these movies:
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I hope I've written this in a way that makes sense. At the very least I hope it allows us to continue the (slightly) productive discussion hidden in amongst the insults and shouting. Not that it matters, as I have no real power here, I am willing to listen to any options...as long as they aren't a complete abolition of the rules...that will help make this program more 'user friendly'.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting chibul: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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No, Ross, I was not taking a shot. I was asking a very serious question in something of an ironic way. You have a problem and I was asking. The irony which you clearly missed the point of wsa that you had a problem, so I wanted to know if I was expected to help you in view of your own behavior. You clearly don't appreciate the ironic sarcasm. You are the one with the behavior problems as is clear, and probably some Anger Management classes would prove useful, as well, I can't help you with sense of humor issues.
Skip 
Wow.
I've reported your behavior to Ken. I will continue to do so every single time you belittle a user for no reason, which is frequently. As will I. As stated in the 'Civility' thread, I will no longer sit back and watch while people are bullied. Just a note - that also includes anyone who attacks Skip WITHOUT provocation. If you want to know my reasons then read my, somewhat lengthy, post in the Civility thread. |
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| Registered: March 23, 2007 | | Posts: 317 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dvdjon: Quote:
Hmm what is this about actually?
Are people in general unhappy with the rules? The problem is that when you apply rules inflexibly, you sometimes get results that don't seem right (such as famous cases of law in the UK, were a burglar tripped over something whilst burgling someones house and successfully sued the home owner whilst only getting a minor penalty himself). Some people think that there should be some room for popular opinion to override the rules, others think that the rules must be obeyed regardless of the outcome. This sometimes gets over-exaggerated into 'abolish the rules' vs. 'if the rules don't cover it, we must expand them by another thousand pages'. You can't really say that one view is more right than the other, but Invelos currently sits in the 'rules is rules' camp, so that's what is done. Some people are lobbying for a more flexible approach (that some perceive as existing in the latter days of Intervocative), but this is inevitably (round here at least) getting labeled as moaning, sabotage, etc. etc. Stuart | | | This is a sig... ... ... yay...
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| Registered: July 15, 2007 | | Posts: 159 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting chibul: Quote:
I personally wouldn't mind the common sense exception at all. It puts more authority into the hands of the users, and honestly...would it be any more nonsense than we have now? Think back to Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds. Some people think it's obviously The Birds. Some think it's obviously Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds. From both perspectives it's just common sense. Obviously one side is wrong, but they don't see it that way. I think things like this would be a problem. And if it was majority rules, the loosing side would start long threads trying to change votes and it would just be resubmitted. This is a good example of where the rules are better than guidelines. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dvdjon: Quote:
Hmm what is this about actually?
Are people in general unhappy with the rules?
I do not understand whats so bad about them... First of all, don't think I'm in favor of dropping the rules. I guess you could say I'm in favor of having this conversation to see if there's a better option out there. But if you want to know what's so bad about them, you only have to read about this program on other sites. I've seen many people say they've stopped contributing or don't even try because of our system. We're too anal they say. And in some cases I agree. Our rules have gotten terribly complicated. More so than some of us care to deal with for something that is just a fun hobby. I've gotten to the point where I'll only contribute under very rare circumstances and I helped write the original rules. Of course the counter argument is that in most of those cases, our "anal" rule system is simply us voting down the garbage they're trying to put in the database. But there is a fine line between having people contribute and putting rules in place to filter out bad contributions. Some think we've crossed that line towards overly complicated rules and need to make things a little more user friendly. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
As will I. As stated in the 'Civility' thread, I will no longer sit back and watch while people are bullied.
Just a note - that also includes anyone who attacks Skip WITHOUT provocation.
If you want to know my reasons then read my, somewhat lengthy, post in the Civility thread. Finally - a voice of reason in this sea of madness.... Maybe it's time to re-open the "moderators" can-of-worms?...  | | | Berak
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Think back to Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds. Some people think it's obviously The Birds. Some think it's obviously Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds. From both perspectives it's just common sense. Obviously one side is wrong, but they don't see it that way. I think things like this would be a problem. And if it was majority rules, the loosing side would start long threads trying to change votes and it would just be resubmitted. This is a good example of where the rules are better than guidelines. I do not see things like that. Suppose you have a profile with the title "The Birds". Somebody contributes "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds". Is it interesting (for the online data base) ? : No On the contrary you have the title "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds" Somebody contributes "The Birds". Is it interesting (for the online data base) ? : No In both cases, these are just preferences as I suppose half of the local profiles have one form, and the second half have the other. When somebody downloads the profile, he has one chance on two to choose to change it locally. There are only the fans of strict rules that think it is useful to try to reach a truth that doesn't exist. Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Anonymous contribution
Anonymous votes : Yes, the contribution is worth being put in the database No, it is not.
No WWIII, and the majority is common sense.
then:
+1 point per accepted contribution
-1 point per refused contribution
Ken gives the list of best contributors.
With the system I proposed, there will not be anymore those changes that are not really useful as people would risk to see their contribution rating decrease... On another hand, one user saw an error in a role in "Deep Impact". With my proposal, when he contributes the change explaining what he found, I think most people would vote Yes, it is interesting, since when you download the profile, you have quite no chance to see that there is an error. With the rules as they are, everybody downloads the error, and keeps it, not because they choose to, but because they ignore it is an error. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | There will be alot of people who will have to dealwith the reputation system as well, as I have suggested, Unicus. Look to your own behavior BEFORE worrying about someone else's.
Tag everybody is IT. Would you like a list, since I know precisely what kind of game this is going to devolve into.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
@Hal,
I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but if you mean we add the exceptions to the rules, I'm not sure I'd like that as the rules could become extremely long-winded very quickly. That's why I thought it best kept in the contribution notes for each profile and keep the rules clear. I understand. If it is an exception that only applies to that one profile that makes sense. However, if it is an exception that may very well apply to other profiles, then something in the Rules will be needed, IMHO. | | | | Hal |
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