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Quoting AiAustria:
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From my point of view - but maybe AndyEN should answer this question - getting all profiles for one UPC is the wrong direction. As I understood the problem: He wants to find all the profiles in HIS personal data base, which do NOT belong to a online profile.


Correct. The issue is the profiles *were* online at one point, but then someone submitted a profile with a different locality and then for the original profile locality sent a "Moderators please delete" edit.
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Quoting AiAustria:
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I don't know if that helps, but I have defined an extra button bar for online tasks:



For profiles, which don't exist online, the visit profile links is greyed out (as shown).


Hmm, that could do in a pinch. The problem is I have a pretty large collection, so that is useful if I already suspect a DVD is offline, but it would probably take hours to click on individial DVDs to see if that's greyed out. I'm looking more for something that could scan my collection for DVDs not in the system. But that is still a good thing to keep an eye out for.
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Quoting GSyren:
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Was Smashing ever released theatrically? Maybe not. But does it matter? The boxset contains both movies. Can the same songs be original in both of them?


I'd say in matters in the sense that if the earlier version was not released until years later, then the newer version would be the first time the songs were released to the public, which to me would make them original songs.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Do they get deleted? all it is doing is make another profile. I don't see why it would effect the original in the main database.


Yes, when incorrect localities are fixed, people generally ask for the DVD with the wrong locality to be deleted.
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Sometimes a locality of a DVD will get corrected, which means deleting the profile from the main database in favour of a version with the correct locality. If I understand correctly, the profile will remain in people's personal collections; they just won't be updated. That being the case, is there any way to determine which profiles in a collection have been deleted from the main database so that users can delete their version in favour of the version that will potentially be updated?
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Complicating things further, the imdb treats the two movies as the same, so it might even be hard to get consensus from people familiar with the movies on if they're the same or not. Most sources online claim that Smashing the Crime Syndicate wasn't released until 1970. Is it possible that it never even managed to get a release at all until it was reworked as Hell's Bloody Devils? If in the days before home video, HBD was the only actual theatrical release, that would almost for sure make them original songs.
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I'm inclined to say yes, especially if they more or less correspond to the same scene in the original version. Before i vote though, are there any original songs in the later cut that aren't in the first cut? That would blur the line further. For situations like these and for "clips" movies (where scenes are taken from other movies, songs and all) we could probably use a category called Archive Footage Songs or something to that effect, signifying that the song isn't new per se, but it was new as originally used in that scene.
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Further to the Limited Series part, with Watchmen in particular, the show got more viewers than expected, creating demand for a second season. However, the creative team had only the one story to tell and had no plans to continue the story, so a second season would only arise if they were to come up with a brand new story, despite the undeniable success of the 2019 series. Another example is The Prisoner: Patrick McGoohan only wanted to do the one season and there is no way he would have ever been convinced to do a second season regardless of ratings.  Sometimes, like V you do get Limited Series that are intended to test the waters for an ongoing season, but in those cases the initial story tends to be somewhere in the vicinity of three episodes.
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Quoting AiAustria:
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No, a tag line.


Agreed. The tip-off is it doesn't appear on the spine or back cover of the mass market versions. it's a nice way to make it stand out more from the movie but doesn't really belong in any listing.
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Quoting Nosferatu:
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Iconic animals who appear in several films and are characters in the films such as Trigger, Asta in The Thin Man series (played by Skippy), or Uggie, who played Jack, the dog from The Artist should be in the credits because they are significant. I'm not sure the snake in Blade Runner is as noteworthy.


You may not think so, but when I submitted that last year, I got more upvotes than anything else I've ever submitted, and by a considerable margin; so Darling is apparently notable enough for Blade Runner fans. Lots of movies do include animals in the credits along with the rest of the cast, even if they play a minor role. One could even argue that due to animal training, some animals are actually acting to a greater degree than infants, who are also commonly listed in credits. Besides, notability isn't really a criteria or else lots of movies would have their entire cast removed due to everyone only appearing in one or two movies..
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Further to the above, when you submit uncredited cast, you are asked to identify the source and the two options they give are another listing of the same movie, or spotting the actor yourself. You're not supposed to use other sources directly, though of course you can use such other sources to see where the actor is in the movie.

Where you can get away with other documentation is if you spot an actor in a movie but wish to back up your info somehow, e.g. providing a name. For example, for Blade Runner, there is a snake in the movie. When I submitted info on the snake, I used my knowledge of seeing the movie to confirm that the snake was in in, but the book Future Noir identified the snake specifically as Darling. So I was able to cite that as the source of Darling's name while still confirming that I personally saw Darling in the movie.
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I'm certainly in favour of centralized credits that can be added to different disc IDs, as long as there was leeway for variants (due to different cuts, or names in credits being translated in some versions; maybe some cuts of a movie list John Doe as playing The Man in Black while others list him as L'homme en noir). Beyond those caveats I do like the idea.

As things stand though, multiple records of the same movie/show are inevitable even if you start restricting alternate IDs: the same movie appears on different disc IDs, the movie has the same ID but one copy is listed by UPC and the other by disc ID (because it's sold both separately and as a set), the same disc ID has two different UPCs (e.g. due to different packaging, though I have seen DVDs where the only diiscernible difference was the UPC itself), or the movie has different names (I've sometimes found credits in foreign variants doing some detective work but not everyone will bother with that, especially if the variant isn't the original title). Alternate IDs for same movie isn't perfect but right now it's the best option if you want to catalogue your entire collection and be able to tell from a quick search where all the movie appears. .

The good news is that if someone corrects a cast/crew error in one copy of a movie they have, chances are they'll correct the same error in every other copy of the movie that they own.
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Of course another solution is to create alternate IDs so as to have the correct images and release dates. This is helpful for people who have the same disc in different sets in their collection. Echo Bridge is notorious for using the same disc in multiple sets, even multiple sets within their Midnight Horror series, so alternate IDs help with the cataloguing, so that your don't end up with, say, a 10-movie set with only five child profiles because the other five are under a different 10-movie set in your collection.
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Quoting The Movieman:
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Thing is, the first movie of this set, which I submitted with a Disc ID, was approved using the same contribution notes...


I once had half a set of child profiles accepted and the other half declined. My bet is part of your submission was evaluated by one person who approved them, and then a second person took over for the rest and declined those.
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Yeah, that makes sense, and is consistent with how other Echo Bridge releases which do this have been treated.
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Since I wrote that, I noticed that others were ignoring the UPCs that are on the disc and just making them child profiles of the main UPCs, so I started following their lead with child profiles. I bet most people don't even notice that there's a separate UPC on the discs themselves. Plus it makes sense in this instance to ignore the disc UPCs as the release dates and cover images are going to change anyway depending on which set it's in.
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I just picked up Arrow season 8 on Blu-ray at Walmart Canada and it handles things a bit differently than previous crossovers: the Arrow episodes them themselves appear together on two discs (being a shortened season) while the Crisis on Infinite Earths event has its own disc, which is said to be a "Limited Edition Bonus Disc" so later copies might not have it. for now those, this does mean that one episode appears twice (as Season 8 episode 8 on disc 2, and as Crisis on Infinite Earths part 4 on the bonus disc). I imagine the disc will appear in the other series as well.That being the case, for this specific crossover it makes sense to have one set of numbering for the Arrow discs (or whichever the host show is) and a separate set of numbering for the bonus disc.
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Quoting JaLe:
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Submitting new "faulty" Disc ID's inside the profile is annoying but not that big issue.

Bigger issue is that folks are submitting boxset child profiles (without own UPC) with these "faulty" Disc ID's.

My suggestion would be that we should change the Alternate Version rule a bit.
And start using alternate UPC from boxset parent profile for child profiles, because UPC is what it is, it's printed on cover.

Boxset example:
Awesome Movie Trilogy (UPC: 123456789)
  - Awesome Movie (UPC: 123456789 #1)
  - Awesome Movie 2 (UPC: 123456789 #2)
  - Awesome Movie 3 (UPC: 123456789 #3)

I thing that this would tackle the issue that database is full of profiles created with "faulty" Disc ID.
One issue is how to remove and clean up database from those bad profiles.

What do you folks think about this?


It's not a bad idea but it would have to factor in all the child profiles already in the system. And there might be the odd set that while legal does not have a UPC for whatever reason, so the Windows 10 issue would still apply there. And there are cases where two or more 50 movie sets use the same UPC but sub out some of the movies. You'd quickly get some really large numbers for each variant set that could get confusing. Probably the biggest issue is the people who can make these kinds of decisions haven't been heard from in a while. Don't get me wrong, I like that it gets away from the disc ID aspect but we'd need to get the decision makers' okay and work out how to minimize the extra work to make the switch.
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In this instance Sci-Fi does seem to be the set title, but I would agree with getting rid of the parts of the title not found on the set, and I agree with others that you should resubmit. I've managed in the past to remove stuff from a set like Volume 3 when I couldn't find a volume number on the front, back, or spine, and no one seemed to object.
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I've always treated TV scriptwriters as the equivalent to movie screenwriters. In both cases they're the scripters as opposed to the plotters.
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I include whatever subject matter details are on the back cover regardless of whether it comes from the official rating source of the country or not. As previously discussed on another thread regarding unrated movies, I wouldn't use other sources like anything found on the web, but if it's on the packaging, it's at least somewhat official. That said, in that example, I might leave out Other; unless the packaging is a bit tongue in cheek like Something Weird releases, I don't think they're trying to warn people that the movie will contain air traffic controllers.
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Quoting marcuslaw:
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I think Gsyren nailed it.  It is a pure audio disk.  Anyone know the reason why DVD-A and BR audio disks are excluded?


Probably just a matter of being too far removed from the intent of the database. People who collect discs to listen to are not necessarily the same people who collect discs to watch. Music and spoken word are legitimate art forms, but they're a different experience than watching a show or movie.
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Quoting GSyren:
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It seems like a disservice to leave it out (and just mention it in Other Features), but on the other hand it would seem odd that "3 Disaster Movies" has 4 child profiles. And the current title for this profile is Weather Wars/Scorcher/Miami Magma ...

Any thoughts?


I know one or twice I've created child profiles beyond what the number in the set title says there should be. I know it seems weird but if there are x number of movies in a set, there should be child profiles for each movie, particularly if all of them are feature length. I can't recall if I noted the bonus movie under Features but I definitely created the child profile. I think for run time I just went along with what the set said.
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I'm on temporary hiatus (my new Windows 10 computer is giving me issues so until that's resolved I'm reluctant to download the software to get around the Windows 10 problem). But once things are working with my computer, things still work well enough here that I plan to resume contributing. While the lack of updates is annoying, things as they are work well enough beyond that Windows 10 issue.
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Quoting scotthm:
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While that is correct, it's a bad practice as it very often propagates data that does not follow the rules (i.e. it does not match the film credits).
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True, though it at least follows the rules. Of course what you can also do is copy the credits over and then fine tune using the credits. It'll still be faster than typing the credits or copying and pasting individual credits one by one. It also has the benefit that common names are more likely to be captured that way then just using the credits by themselves. Even if a later version of DVD Profiler had the ability to scan credits (which would be the ideal), common names would still need to be checked.
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