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Hello.  Thanks for your replies.  It does indeed look like one of things things that's been considered a few times but never really been resolved.

For myself, in my local database I list all the audio tracks available for either version once, T!M's "merge" variant that eliminates duplicates.  (I also do this for double packs that contain the same film on both BD and DVD, as I don't keep the DVD as an individual profile locally but like to have a record of what's on it anyway.)

If you only list the audio (and for that matter the subtitles) from the longest version, then you can end up with slightly inconsistent looking information, such as a Commentary ticked as a Feature but with no corresponding audio track. (In fact this is exactly what's happened with a contribution for "Ted" I submitted this morning that I didn't change the Audio for as it got me thinking about this).  We merge information like Features (and in fact most other things), so not to do the same for Audio (or subtitles) seems again a bit inconsistent.  I guess another alternative nowadays might be to list each version as a totally separate Alternative Version, effectively treating each as a separate film?

The more I think about this the more frustrated I get (I like things to be black and white) and I suspect it's just an example of a bigger issue in how the 'same' film is treated in the online database, whether it's different versions or the same versions on different media.  The original system based on UPC or Disc ID has generally worked well, but when we start to try to be more granular, the limitations and inconsistencies start to get in the way.

The world is full of 'lumpers' and 'splitters' and the two will never agree!
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Hello.

I can't imagine this hasn't been discussed before, but I can't seem to find anything in the rules or forum, sooo..

When there's more than one version of a movie on a disc (for example Theatrical and Extended Versions) that have different audio tracks, which are eligible for the online database? 

Thanks.
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I do have a suspicion that people maybe contribute less now because the Rules have become so out of date and looking through the forums for answers (if you can even work out how to do that effectively), just turns up a small group of people disagreeing over the interpretation of them.  As physical media has 'upgraded' and more and more examples of things that don't fit the Rules have been highlighted, it really has become difficult in a lot of cases to confidently contribute, especially if you haven't done it often.

Speaking for myself, I sometimes don't contribute updates I've made to my own local database, as some things are too contentious/unclear and I can't be bothered to waste my time and that of others with inaccurate contributions. I like clear instructions and for an increasingly larger number of DVDs etc, the Rules don't really provide this.
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Quoting iPatsa:
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And it just feels more fitting to have a 90s sitcom on DVD.


That's an interesting thought.  I've recently watched both Dirty Harry and Rocky on DVD and do remember thinking that the DVD quality somehow added to the grimy feel of the locations. However, not sure if this was me thinking clearly or just trying to justify not upgrading them to Blu-ray to save the money.

(I also have to admit though that I have very recently bought Rocky on Blu-ray, but haven't watched it yet.) 
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Yes I agree with you entirely.  Even pretty mainstream and popular films are quite often missing.  If certainly an issue that's getting more common I think.

And yes, the fact that actually most are there when I add a new film to my collection is still pretty cool.
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Where's the dissenting voices?!

Still, we'll have Star Trek Picard / Star Trek: Picard to think about at some point.

When I win the Lottery, a whole box set of Power Rangers is top of my buy list; like that one I think Shout! Factory released a few years ago. 
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Billy as Bookshelf (Uncredited) 


This is a good example of why uncredited credits can be so hard to pin down.  In this example, what's the reason Billy as Bookcase is more accurate than perhaps Billy as The Bookcase or Billy as A Bookcase, or even Billy as Itself or Billy as The/A White Bookcase (assuming Billy was white and not one of the other colours that IKEA offers)?  Do we really want to see hundreds of thousands of submissions ping-ponging between these sorts of options?  Also, can you imagine the issue once we include other furniture retailers, or indeed other companies and brands that sell furniture but also sell other items too?
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Quoting iPatsa:
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Quoting AndyEN:
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You're not supposed to use other sources directly, though of course you can use such other sources to see where the actor is in the movie.


Except for: "If there are no credits, the film's official site may be used as a source."

The question then is if these actors taken from an offical source should be marked as uncredited.


Yes, this is a good example where things feel a bit less clear.  I get the feeling people tend to not tick them as uncredited in these cases.
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Quoting Rizor:
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We're contributing uncredited animals now?! 


? Hell yes.  Too many animals play key roles in movies and don't get so much as a mention in the credits. It's so speciesist.  Just because they don't have good union representation or taste good in a burger...

PS I'm vegan so I'm allowed to say stuff like that.
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Hello

Thanks to both of you.  That was my understanding as well.  I will endeavour to be more consistent with my own contributions in future.
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I still buy them, although only when I feel 'forced' too.

This means:

It isn't available on Blu-ray.
It isn't available digitally in HD.
The Blu-ray (or digital HD version) is 'stupidly expensive' in relation to how much I want the feature in HD.
It's very cheap and I'm not sure I'll like it much; so it's a sort of test viewing.
The Blu-ray has region compatibility issues; (this is less of an issue now as I have a multi-region BD player).
I don't see it being released in HD any time soon.
I'm desperate to own it now and will upgrade it in the future if an HD version becomes available.
The DVD has a special feature that I want that isn't on the Blu-ray release; (okay, I can't think of an example right now, but it's possible).
It's something in a series/franchise I've been buying/collecting and I want to complete the set as a 'set' and I don't think I'm likely to upgrade it in future to HD in some way.

In practice the main reasons are lack of availability in HD (typically older stuff), or the HD versions are far more expensive and I don't feel they'll come down in price anytime soon, (which is mainly for non-UK discs where there's no UK Blu-ray or HD digital release).

It is noticeable how many things aren't released in the UK anymore on Blu-ray but still get a DVD release. This is very annoying!  Also (even more annoyingly) are things that are only released via streaming and can't even be purchased digitally; (e.g. Netflix.)
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Hello.  I'm in need of wisdom and guidance this morning.

What actually are uncredited cast?  I've always assumed it means they're people in the main feature(s) in some way (ignoring issues relating to archive footage, doubles and modern special effects) who aren't credited on-screen at some point, but I can't find anything in the Rules that actually says anything like this.  If they're not named on-screen but are so on the sleeve, in a special feature or in an accompanying leaflet/booklet, do any of these examples make them uncredited?  If not, where do they have to come from to become uncredited?

I've seen lots of variations in where people seem to draw the line between credited and uncredited and I know I'm guilty of not being very consistent.  I know I've submitted cast in the past that haven't been named on-screen that I've not flagged as uncredited and these have been accepted.  (I've submitted a lot of cast details for several seasons of Spooks recently that have no on-screen credits, made it clear in the notes they came from a third party site (the BBC), not flagged any as uncredited and all have been accepted.)

Thanks.
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Yes, this sort of thing is kind of annoying.

I've just this minute contributed a profile update that includes correcting four typos in the crew.  In at least three cases, the Credit Lookup Tool indicates that the misspellings are the correct name to use, as the profile appears to have been cloned to other copies of the movie and as the individuals have so few credits in total, this has tipped the balance in favour of the errors.  (I did check online to try and make sure the errors are actually errors.)  So I've had to ignore the Rules and put a note in the contribution notes as to why.
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I really don't mind too much if we track them in the online database or not; I guess I'd prefer to do so if it was up to me, as long as there's a clear and consistent way to do so, which there isn't at the moment.

What I'd prefer to be sorted is the totally out of date way we track Visual Effects people.  There's a world of difference between (for example) a guy who uses explosives to make things go 'bang' on set, and one working with a state of the art computer to make a spaceship explode in a far off galaxy, yet we record them in exactly the same way.  I think this is the worse part of the online system relating to crew. (Sorry, a bit off topic.)
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I guess the problem here is that the Rules haven't been updated to take into account this kind of role.  In many ways these people are like a stand-in, or a stunt performer that's seen on-screen, nether of which we normally track.  I guess another tick box alongside Voice Only and Puppeteer would solve the problem (actors that we don't actually see acting), assuming we want to track them at all.
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Got another song: Sell Out by Punks Not Dad.  It's all about Tesco (UK's largest supermarket chain) being sold out of everything.

I normally get most of my groceries delivered, but for weeks I've not been able to get a delivery slot because they've all been snapped up by old people ordering teabags and crumpets. I don't have a car and the nearest supermarket is a 25 minute walk away, so as I'm working full-time I'm slowly starving to death; and don't even ask about the toilet paper situation.... The irony being that most of my work at the moment is driving home grocery delivery vans between stores or stores and garages, for Sainsbury's and Tesco.



Just found this: Man Flu by the same band. It's not quite the same but the information in the video may be helpful.
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There seems to be surprisingly few films really, although IMDb has a fair list of titles.  I can't help thinking there might be a few more movies coming along in the next few years though.

A bit off topic but as I started it...

Any good songs about viruses?

This is Virus by Sonic Boom Six from 2012.  Great song by a great live band; seen them loads of times.
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When I'm out and about these days it feels like I've blundered onto the set of a 28 Days Later reboot, and that's even before the new movement restrictions that were introduced in the UK last night.

I caught the 17:30 train from London Paddington to Bristol last night, after the four previous trains had all been cancelled.  At the best of times this train is normally packed and more often than not I've ended up standing on it.  Yesterday there were three other people in my carriage.  I have to confess that there is a small part of me that is actually enjoying some of the changes, as I spend the majority of my day on trains or buses.  (I also travelled the entire route of a bus yesterday between two Tesco stores, and not a single other person got on.  I caught a Docklands Light Railway train from Gallions Reach in East London and the entire, very large pedestrian area outside the station was disserted, except for a few cars driving past.  I seemed to be the only passenger waiting for a train at Milton Keyes (population almost 200,000) Central in the afternoon.  I could go on.  However, my trip across London in the petri dish that calls itself the Underground was in a carriage that was about half full; I guess people in London think they're too important to stay at home.)

(For the record I'm self-employed and spend most of my time moving food home delivery vehicles between stores, and stores and garages, hence the reason I'm still working and out and about.)

Stay safe and in good spirits people.

I love the train track picture too!
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Quoting specise_8472:
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Yeah, not trying to hijack thread, but a good chance for users to express how they are affected by the Covid.


Not a problem. Stay well.
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Okay, so this must be the only online forum on the planet that hasn't mentioned Covid-19 yet.

However, it's got me thinking if there're any movies that have tried to depict a similar sort of outbreak.  They're plenty of ones where everyone turns into a zombie or is equally weird, but I'm looking for something that's more realistic.  I'm pretty sure there are some examples, but nothing specific has come to mind.  Has anyone any suggestions?  I'm not having to self-isolate at the moment (I'm classed as a key worker in the UK so still out working as much as I can) and I'm not ill, but I suspect at some point I'll have a week or so to watch a lot of films in.

Just found this myself: Den of Geek

PS I'm not trying to trivialise what's going on now and I hope everyone here and those they know are safe and well.
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I think if the movie's individual songs are listed in the credits elsewhere, as they often are, it would help give context to this.  If he is listed as the person who created any of them and it doesn't look like they were existing bits of music, I'd think he would get a Song Writer Credit.  If he isn't them it does become a bit more unclear.

In the latter case I think I'd not contribute him towards the online database but list him in my local database as Composer.  (Not as a Song Writer as there's no evidence to suggest he wrote any songs, just some jazz that may or may not have been something that could be identified as a song rather than incidental music. I guess I might change my mind if I viewed the film and I could identify the jazz in question and it seemed a discreet bit of music.  Fortunately in my own database I can mess with the Rules to suit myself, but for the online I normally err towards caution, as I think less and accurate is better than more with some mistakes.)
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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So far I watched 2 of my 4k movies..

Passangers - While entertaining... the film left some to be desired. But Wow! the visuals and and sound... fantastic!

Justice League - I prefered the movie over Passangers... and while looking and sounding great Passangers had it beat.


When I went over to UHD, Passengers was one of the first films I upgraded.  It looks amazing on BD but on UHD I agree, it looks (and sounds) stunning; (and it's not just because of Jennifer Lawrence's endlessly changing wardrobe either).  If I had any friends who wanted to find out what 4K is like, it would be my go to film I think.

I bought Watchman (the Ultimate Cut) on UHD recently, but haven't watched it yet.  That was amazing on BD so I'll be interested to see how much better it (hopefully) gets.

I love reading your posts, they're always so enthusiastic and positive! 

PS And my Jennifer Lawrence claim to fame?  I look after the garden (I work as a gardener part-time) for the parents of someone who's slept with JL in a film.
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Hello.  I’m the person who’s had this discussion with GSyren, with respect to my addition of the rating details for Season 1 of Spooks; (the BBC TV series).  In this case the information is:

Bad Language: Some Mild, Infrequent Strong.
Sex/Nudity: Some, Moderate.
Violence: Some Moderate, Some Strong.
Other: Strong Torture Scene.

This is (hopefully) a link to the BBFC website for Spooks Season 1.

It rates each of the six episodes individually rather than as a whole season.  It doesn’t give any rating info for any episode except for episode 6, which has a 12 certificate; (the Season 1 box set itself has a 15 certificate).  (Well I think it’s episode 6 anyway; the details are a bit different to the other five, but if I'm wrong then there doesn’t seem to be a sixth episode listed anywhere on the site.)

There do seem to be a very large number of entries that have been accepted into the online database that use a sleeve's ‘long form’ details; (plus plenty of Not Rated US releases that have had information from the sleeve accepted that are also presumably no more ‘official’ than the long form UK info.)  This suggests to me that the screeners are content for them to be included in the online database and therefore they're valid.

Would it really be helpful to suggest they ought to be updated, especially as in some cases the BBFC site doesn’t actually give any ratings info that could be used instead?  More generally, I’m rarely in favour of having to expect people to do research on a routine basis to allow them to complete a submission to the online database; it just makes things more difficult and probably reduces the overall number of submissions made as it puts people off doing them.

Thanks.
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I've had to go and buy a copy of Sausage Party for myself now.  After such a build up it was just too much to resist.  (Second hand on BD.)
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