I didn't mean to imply that you said you would contribute against the rules... I know you never said that. but others have either asked what the consensus was so they can contribute towards it... or basically said they will use what they believe to be correct... no matter what the credit look-up tool says.

But if you thought I meant you... I apologize as I never meant it to sound that way.

Helllo!

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I don't see where there could be contributing wars or ping-pongs when the cast/crew credits rules states to use names exactly as credited... if it is credited with comma and period that is what we us... if it is not... then we us it without. and as for linking if we use the look-up tool the way the rules and Ken's statements say... all will be linked together.

So now the circle is completed, we are at the beginning again, everybody is to reenter their comments.
There will be and are contributing wars going on (I'm inflicted in one concerning "Thomas Rosales, Jr." which is on the DB in not less than 6 variants) The problem is that the credit-lookup-tool delivers ambiguous results and not everybody knows how to read them. Not to forget that a lot of people wouldn't even think that different spellings could be a problem an so would not crosslink.

So if only the credits are used this will never be changed, it's not that bad if we talk about unknown actors, but I can still remember that it took some time until "Robert deNiro" ( ) got standardized.

I hope you didn't really feel the Thomas Rosales Story as a war... Was not meant that way.

But the point you might miss is - as Ken put in earlier - it is of no importance what name is selected for the common name. The fact which matters is the "Credited As" entry. The more "Credited As" entries are entered, the better the "Credit Lookup Tool" gets...

In the worst case (a fully IMDB contaminated actor) the system proposes the wrong name until enough "Credited As" entries prove that the correct common name should be an other variant; then the system strikes back without any change of the rules. - I still hope that Ken will have a tool to exchange such an actors name automated, when this case occurs...

Regards, AA

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I suppose this is a case of unintended consequences, when the people who most care about this particular bit of data are being driven away because they can't actually generate change.  As I said before, ironic.

This is a noteworthy comment that I very much agree with. It would indeed seem that the few users who truly care about correct, fully linked cast and crew, are being driven away by the fact that our reference point is a database filled with about 85 to 90% of IMDb-data, making it theoretically impossible to correct an IMDb-mistake. That cannot possibly be Ken's intention...

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I suppose this is a case of unintended consequences, when the people who most care about this particular bit of data are being driven away because they can't actually generate change.  As I said before, ironic.

This is a noteworthy comment that I very much agree with. It would indeed seem that the few users who truly care about correct, fully linked cast and crew, are being driven away by the fact that our reference point is a database filled with about 85 to 90% of IMDb-data, making it theoretically impossible to correct an IMDb-mistake. That cannot possibly be Ken's intention...

Surely not his, but possibly a lot of IMDb-lovers out here...  

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Here, Here, martin. once we get As Credited correct then Credited As will function properly as ken intended it to. But we still have to recognize that we need to stop assuming that similar names are the SAME person.

Skip

I think the here, here you want is hear, hear.

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That wasn't in your direction AA, so sorry if you got hit. There are no prisoners taken anymore

That's a relief <sigh> so I can resume answering the doorbell

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This would only work if the contributors would realize that the actor in the cast probably has other spellings, than the credited and use the "credited as" button. All to often they don't (and I'm not taking me out of this).

The main problem is that the existing database includes so many flaws and IMDB copies. That's the reason why we are conftronted with a really time consuming process...

AA