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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorrdodolak
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I agree.  I used to have all sorts of manual profiles for the individual films, so the alt ID profiles have been awesome.

For films, it's a great feature. For TV series... Let's just say I'm not a fan.


A bit of a tangent, but I wish TV shows were presented closer to movies, though with all the episodes in a disc together a la short films. But not duplicated in the main set. I know some prefer the reverse, but discs can be lost/stolen/not returned with the rest of the set (this has happened to me at least once)/sold separately (the latter especially from video rental places), so this way would reduce duplication and more accurately reflect what a user actually has.


I know some like separate disc profiles so they can mark them off as watched, etc.  I, usually, would have preferred to have all of the episodes attached to the main profile since the main profile can already handle multiple episodes and discs, but then have a way to catalog the individual details of each episode and be able to mark off each episode as being watched.

In your example of losing a disc, I would just remove that disc from the profile. Or they could be an option to mark it as lost (would have to be programmed into the program).
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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I agree.  I used to have all sorts of manual profiles for the individual films, so the alt ID profiles have been awesome.

For films, it's a great feature. For TV series... Let's just say I'm not a fan.

That's fair.  I'm a film person, not much of a TV person, so I don't have the perspective on that level.

Admittedly, thinking about it, the only issue I can come up with is the complete sets that have all the discs in them being unable to profile by season.  If that isn't the issue, what differs with TV in the child profiles that makes you not a fan of the alt-IDs for TV? (if you don't mind me asking)
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormarcelb7
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I agree.  I used to have all sorts of manual profiles for the individual films, so the alt ID profiles have been awesome.

For films, it's a great feature. For TV series... Let's just say I'm not a fan.

That's fair.  I'm a film person, not much of a TV person, so I don't have the perspective on that level.

Admittedly, thinking about it, the only issue I can come up with is the complete sets that have all the discs in them being unable to profile by season.  If that isn't the issue, what differs with TV in the child profiles that makes you not a fan of the alt-IDs for TV? (if you don't mind me asking)

My biggest issue is that the Credit Lookup is unusable because of Invelos' decisions to:
a) Allow disc profiles on TV series, and specifically: allow crew and cast on those disc profiles.
b) Not set up proper rules for processing titles and original titles of TV-series, season numbers, or even disc numbers. 'Disc 1' vs 'Disc One', anyone?

If those rules were set up properly or differently from the get-go, we wouldn't have eleventythousand 'common name' threads on the contribution forum, and it wouldn't be such a steep hurdle for less experienced users to contribute.
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My biggest issue is that the Credit Lookup is unusable because of Invelos' decisions to:
a) Allow disc profiles on TV series...
b) Not set up proper rules for processing titles and original titles of TV-series...

The CLT is very usable.  You simply look at the numbers and use them, just as the rules have asked.  The real problem isn't the way TV series or original titles are handled, it's the amount of bad data (IMDB?) in the database.

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If those rules were set up properly or differently from the get-go, we wouldn't have eleventythousand 'common name' threads on the contribution forum

I beg to differ.  As long as people are credited in a variety of ways we'll still have those threads.  Besides, do you want to make these forums completely dead?

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributormarcelb7
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The CLT is very usable.  You simply look at the numbers and use them, just as the rules have asked.  The real problem isn't the way TV series or original titles are handled, it's the amount of bad data (IMDB?) in the database.

May I present to you, Wallace Wolodarsky.



Aaaand the actual credit lookup results (67 titles, 191 profiles), courtesy of my good old CLT plus tool (which apparently DOES still work, yay!).
Titles in parentheses are original titles, btw.



The CLT is a mess, when it comes to TV series. It needed to be fixed 10 years ago.
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May I present to you, Wallace Wolodarsky.



Aaaand the actual credit lookup results (67 titles, 191 profiles), courtesy of my good old CLT plus tool (which apparently DOES still work, yay!).
Titles in parentheses are original titles, btw.

So what's your point?  Do you consider the number 6 to be intrinsically better than the number 67 for some reason?  As long as we all use the same numbers it does not matter.  What matters is that we get incorrectly credited names out of the profiles.

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I forgot to mention that Wallace Wolodorsky is not the common name. That should be Wally Wolodorsky, who is currently credited with just 16 titles in the CLT. 16 titles: actual common name. 67 titles: not the common name. Do you see where this is going?

If you don't, there's just no arguing with some folks. Hope you have a good 2022, though!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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I see where you're going, marcelb7.  I also see scotthm's point about bad data, likely IMDB scrapes.  I had that problem when I was trying to establish common name for Gabby Hayes (common name should have "Gabby" but CLT had 'Gabby' because IMDB uses single quotes for nicknames).

What I'm guessing you would like to see marcelb7, is a rule for what goes in the original title field for seasons/disc level profiles.  Something like "In the original title field, enter the name of the show only (without season or disc numbers)."
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I forgot to mention that Wallace Wolodorsky is not the common name. That should be Wally Wolodorsky, who is currently credited with just 16 titles in the CLT. 16 titles: actual common name. 67 titles: not the common name. Do you see where this is going?

Here is the actual situation.  It does not matter which one is the common name as long as we can all agree on the same one.  If we just take the raw number of titles from the CLT then we can all agree because we can all tell which of a set of numbers is largest.  It's simple if we just use the CLT numbers instead of trying to make it more "accurate".

The only real problem is the huge number of profiles with incorrect credits that cause the common name to change from time to time as profiles are corrected.  If all the profiles were correct then which of several credited names is most common would be irrelevant so long as we all agree.

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