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Video Formats, Overviews and Boxsets...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAHels
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So I've just voted (Yes) on a profile update for the Back to the Future boxset (UK R2 release). Updates included the Overview and Video Formats.

Prior to the contribution Video Format only listed PAL, whereas the contributor now added Widescreen (as all the movies in the boxset are listed Widescreen). In the overview it had a short blurb about each of the three movies (as it does in the box itself), after the update it now also lists a blurb for the actual box (again, this is exactly as listed on the cover).

Votes on this particular contribution was all No, listing reasons such as "Incorrect to add video format to boxset parent", "Where from - and also typos!" and "What? Why? Since when?".

Ok, so I've read and re-read the rules pertaining to boxsets and nowhere does it say Video Formats should not be included in the parent boxset profile. In fact 80% of my boxset parent profiles currently lists Video Format. So what is the correct way to handle this? AFAIC, if all discs in the boxset share the same attributes (in this case PAL Widescreen) you're not doing anything wrong by adding it also to the parent profile, and I'm sure I've seen other posts with the same POW earlier.

Moving on the Overview. The rules state "If the box set cover contains a listing of contents with brief descriptions of each, enter it directly into the Overview field.  If there is no overview on the cover, an overview from an included booklet may be substituted.  Otherwise, enter an itemized listing of the contents only, without descriptions.". Now, in this instance the old profile had the overviews of each movie (taken from inside the box as the cover only lists technical details for each disc) but nothing else. In the new contribution it kept the old overview but also added the blurb from the back of the box cover. Surely this would be all correct?
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Ahels:

The reason that Video Formats are not YET in the Rules is that under 2.X Video data was a Required entry for Contribution, this no longer true. What you can do for Video that I would NOT argue with is list basic Video information. In other words if it is Widescreen simplky check the Box for widescreen. The reason for the rules being as they are relative to boxsets and this includes Video, is that NOT all movies in a given Boxset will necessarily have the SAME specifications.  In short if yo don't list ANY Aspect Ratio data I would think foir now you will be OK, but keep in mind that once the Rules catch up, this will join the rest of the Boxset data as a no-no.

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For the overview, the new submission is considered wrong because it contains the information that was already there - because that info should never have been there in the first place!
If the submitter had removed all the individual movie blurbs and only put what was on the back cover, then the overview would be correct.
Hope that makes sense! 
I didn't vote on this particular profile, so didn't check it closely enough for typos. But spelling mistakes in overviews are only allowed if they are actually spelt wrong on the dvd cover.
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As it is not yet in the Rules, it technically still makes it wrong to vote No...
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Quoting AHels:
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Votes on this particular contribution was all No, listing reasons such as "Incorrect to add video format to boxset parent", "Where from - and also typos!" and "What? Why? Since when?".


The last one is my vote. I voted no because he's added the case-type to the overview (and that is solely what his contribution notes state he is doing).
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Quoting AHels:
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Ok, so I've read and re-read the rules pertaining to boxsets and nowhere does it say Video Formats should not be included in the parent boxset profile.

This is absolutely correct: the contribution rules on box sets prohibit the use of a number of fields, but video format is not one of them. So, as long as the aspect ratio for all movies in the set is the same, it can be entered.

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The reason that Video Formats are not YET in the Rules is that under 2.X Video data was a Required entry for Contribution, this no longer true. What you can do for Video that I would NOT argue with is list basic Video information. In other words if it is Widescreen simplky check the Box for widescreen. The reason for the rules being as they are relative to boxsets and this includes Video, is that NOT all movies in a given Boxset will necessarily have the SAME specifications.  In short if yo don't list ANY Aspect Ratio data I would think foir now you will be OK, but keep in mind that once the Rules catch up, this will join the rest of the Boxset data as a no-no.

While I understand, and could possibly even agree with what you're saying, it's still not in the rules. I don't agree that it's okay to vote according to what you feel SHOULD be in the rules, or what you feel WILL be in the rules. While you could well turn out to be right in the future, that shouldn't affect your vote today.

On a personal level, I don't understand the distinction you're making between the various aspects of the video field. Why would I be OK if I "don't list ANY Aspect Ratio"? The video field consists of three bits of data: PAL/NTSC, video format and aspect ratio. Assuming that all movies in the set are NTSC anamorphic widescreen and have an aspect ratio of 1.85:1 - why would you say that it's fine to enter two out of three parts of the video field (thus: NTSC anamorphic widescreen), but not the aspect ratio? That seems a bit too surreal for me: surely the justification to include the "widescreen" bit would be the exact same justification one would use for entering the aspect ratio?

If your line of reasoning is "it's okay to check widescreen/anamorphic if all movies in the set are in that format", then why not "it's okay to enter the aspect ratio if all movies in the set are in that aspect ratio"? IMHO, it's the exact same thing. I really don't see the distinction. If anyone can enlighten me, please do...
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAHels
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Quoting skipnet50:
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The reason for the rules being as they are relative to boxsets and this includes Video, is that NOT all movies in a given Boxset will necessarily have the SAME specifications.  In short if yo don't list ANY Aspect Ratio data I would think foir now you will be OK, but keep in mind that once the Rules catch up, this will join the rest of the Boxset data as a no-no.

In this case all three movies are PAL Widescreen 1.85:1 though. Ok, so it's redundant information as it's available in the child profiles, but I see no reason why one couldn't enter that on the box itself as it is clearly not [yet] against the rules.

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For the overview, the new submission is considered wrong because it contains the information that was already there - because that info should never have been there in the first place!

The existing text was taken from the booklet included with the box though, which is (or atleast can be construed as) acceptable by the rules. What the new contribution has done is to add the actual blurb as well.

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I voted no because he's added the case-type to the overview (and that is solely what his contribution notes state he is doing).

Whilst his contribution notes were unclear ("Adding case information to overview.") I think what he meant to say was that he added the actual blurb from the back of the box - which is what he's done.

Now, perhaps he should have removed what was already in the overview. IMHO it's still within the rules as he simply added the blurb from the back whilst keeping the "listing of contents with brief descriptions of each"..."from an included booklet".

It seems obvious to me, with No votes based on "Surely this is incorrect? The case information captured elsewhere" and "Where from - and also typos!" that the voters have not checked either the rules and/or the contents of the boxset properly, no?
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Ahels the fact that all three moivies have the same AR is irrelevant.

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Ahels the fact that all three moivies have the same AR is irrelevant.

Uhh.. Care to elaborate on that? What's the difference between saying it's a Widescreen PAL or Widescreen Anamorphic 1.85:1 PAL release as long as all the titles in the box conform to the same data?
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Quoting AHels:
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For the overview, the new submission is considered wrong because it contains the information that was already there - because that info should never have been there in the first place!

The existing text was taken from the booklet included with the box though, which is (or atleast can be construed as) acceptable by the rules. What the new contribution has done is to add the actual blurb as well.


Sorry, no. The rules are very specific: "Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly"
The only time you're allowed to use text from elsewhere is when there is nothing on the back of the DVD case.

As for the AR question - you're right, there is nothing in the rules to prevent them being added. It's just been the convention that you don't for boxsets for so long that some people assume it's part of the rules.
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Quoting AHels:
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Quoting Kevin Coed
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I voted no because he's added the case-type to the overview (and that is solely what his contribution notes state he is doing).

Whilst his contribution notes were unclear ("Adding case information to overview.") I think what he meant to say was that he added the actual blurb from the back of the box - which is what he's done.


No it's not. The first line of his overview says 'BOXSET SLEEVE'. That is what he's referring to.
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Uhh.. Care to elaborate on that? What's the difference between saying it's a Widescreen PAL or Widescreen Anamorphic 1.85:1 PAL release as long as all the titles in the box conform to the same data?


Sometimes the stated formats on a package aren't exactly accurate. It may say 1.85 for all three films in a set, but one film might actually be 1.77 or something similar when it comes down to measuring the aspect ratio.
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Quoting AHels:
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Ahels the fact that all three moivies have the same AR is irrelevant.

Uhh.. Care to elaborate on that? What's the difference between saying it's a Widescreen PAL or Widescreen Anamorphic 1.85:1 PAL release as long as all the titles in the box conform to the same data?


There is no need for him to elaborate.  As you have been told, entering this information is NOT against the rules so people can't vote 'no' on it.
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You can if he doesn't mention why he's changing it in his contribution notes.
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You can if he doesn't mention why he's changing it in his contribution notes.


I figured that was a given. 
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The reason AHel has disappeared from this thread :- he's been busy changing his vote to 'no'.
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