I just had 2 contributions declined because the profiles included BYs that were because someone else contributed another profile that affected these.

All I changed was the Episode Dividers and clearly noted that I didn't do the BY and that they were downloaded in another profile. Or with Xena added Lucy & Renee to each episode.



These are the 2 that were declined:

Sledge Hammer!: Season One
View contribution notes 013131-240696 Jul 17, 2007 Yes: 25  No: 0 Declined
Changed '-' to ',' in episode dividers since that is the standard. Don't know about the BY's. All I know is that I didn't do them and must have been downloaded in other profiles.


Please use birth years only to distinguish between otherwise identical cast and crew. New birth year submissions must be documented.
Xena: Warrior Princess: Season One: Deluxe Collector's Edition
View contribution notes 013131-254891 Jul 17, 2007 Yes: 8  No: 0 Declined
Added Lucy Lawless and Renee O'Connor to each episode. Kevin Smith birth year already in database. I think it's to separate the Xena Kevin Smith from the director/actor Kevin Smith best know for Clerks and Chasing Amy. Bruce Campbell (1958) was not done by me. Already in database, but I'm not sure which profile added the BY to him or why.


So am I know supposed to go back and search my database for these actors and look up all of their films and try to find the previous contribution that added the BY.


I have a strong feeling that my contribution for Friends: The Complete Ninth Season
View contribution notes 085393-366124 Jul 20, 2007 Yes: 31  No: 0 Received
Fixed episode divider numbers 1-9. Removed '0' in front. Now allows for complete episode names for #5, #7, Don't know where the BY for Gregory White in episode #3 came from. Must have downloaded a profile that has his BY in it. I checked my DB and he's listed in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Ellen, Home Improvement, L.A. Confidential and Resident Evil: Apocalypse (if that helps any). All I know is that I didn't add his BY, someone else did and was approved and is in database.

will also be declined because it includes BY that I didn't add.

I don't know what I should do. Should I just remove all the BY for these and resubmit or just not contribute profiles that include BYs anymore.

Sigh... Those BY's are like a virus; if you accept one of them all corresponding names are affected in you local database. Therefor I never accept these profiles and I wish the system would ignore them if I wanted to contribute an update, because I hate to add or remove them for that.

How does this happen? I don't know the inner workings of the Database BUT I suspect that what happens is that when someone finds a reason for a birth year they EDIT the Cast member to include a Birth Year (YOB). This will cause all films featuring that cast member to change including any with the "other cast member" which they sought to distinguish against therby defeating the object. I hope that what should happen is that they CREATE NEW cast member(s) with the DOB entry and change all relevant films to this new cast member(s). This would leave any which have not been audited and documented to show which DOB crew member it should mean just with the name.

This has the benefit of keeping the Data accurate but loses functionaliy until all roles are changed. If it does work, as I hope, then the screeners will have more work to ensure the master entity in the Database has not been edited to change the YOB I have started a Poll to see if others agree with this approach. It should mean that if you contribue a profile with a YOB added then you will have been the one who changed it.

I resubmitted the Sledgehammer profile and noted the following in my notes:

Changed '-' to ',' in episode dividers since that is the standard.


Notes about BY for Brenda Strong and Jeff Doucette.

These were not done by me, but I assume that they were done in the following profile.

Desperate Housewives: Season One #786936280326

Ron's contribution was approved on March 20,2007 in which he states "and alot of actor birth years (taken from Wikipedia)"

This was initially declined, then within the same minute was approved.
Since the BYs were already approved I have left them alone.

And yet I have a NO vote because "You should remove these birth years, as there is not more than 1 actor with those names. The rules are clear on this. Mistakenly approved last time."

Now I don't know what to do. I went back and noted where the BYs came from. It's not my fault if it was approved, even if it was in error (which I'm not sure of). As far as I know, I was to note where the BYs came from, not to go and validate if they are correct or not.

The rules state:
"If the birth year change is due to an accepted change to another profile, indicate that."

That is exactly what I did, I indicated that the BY is due to an accepted profile.


I am really getting mad at these BY's. I am thinking of not even contributing any cast profiles anymore, it's just to much bother dealing with these BY issues.

In my opinion that is still a bad no vote as his contribution is following the rules 100%

Ken not only said on these forums a few different times if a birth year is from a previously accepted profile to just let that be known... which he did. and has it in the rules to do just that... which  again he did.

I personally will never remove a birth year from a profile... because no matter what a google search or other research has shown me... I could never be 100% sure.

I have had to put that comment about the birth year not being my work many times... and any time I got a decline all I ever had to do is resubmit it... make sure it is 100% clear I didn't add it... maybe put that in bold so it is sure to be seen. And then it would always go through after that.

As long as he is following the rules completely... which he is... a no vote is just wrong.

I just have to disagree... and stand behind what I said.he did nothing to break the rules... so in my eyes... as I said in the very first line... In my opinion he did not break the rules... he followed the rules 100% so once again In My Opinion a no vote is wrong.

What???
You can't agree to disagree! Remember where you are! 

Quoting northbloke:

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What???
You can't agree to disagree! Remember where you are! 

LOL... yes... some of us can just agree to disagree. I personally am more then happy with the ability to state my opinion on the matter without trying to force the subject... not that anyone here would do such a thing!